Medieval English Pottery

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  • #17864
    Rubsy
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      Medieval Pottery in the Museum of London

      #18937
      kFoyauextlH
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        Seriously great video! A free exploration of pottery to glimpse the results from the medieval mind through their resources and what was considered acceptable enough to make and use and sell and purchase!

        #18933
        Rubsy
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          Wow, thanks that’s the first comment I have had and it’s really to the point. I have been looking into a lot the history of the cross over from the medieval times to the enlightenment  or the premodern time. As a Potter I wanted it to be a resource for those that want to recreate these pots but can’t get to see them. Recreating them really can bring about more of a tactile understanding of the times.

          #18948
          kFoyauextlH
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            I also largely research the same general period of history and the ideas from that time are of extreme interest to me, particularly how they manifest in materials and material practices and the themes that are selected or appear associated with various forms of utilitarian or pragmatic art. For example, what might lead to the selection of a certain design element or the addition of certain imagery or embellishment to a piece and what those symbols may have conjured in a medieval or early modern imagination. Right now, even on this phone but also in my own personal collection of books I have numerous books revolving around these topics.

            To some people they might just see it and say “Oh, pottery, alright”, but this is so much of a more profound thing when understood as a manifestation of conscious and unconcious organization of resources by an organism which may carry information regarding its thinking, environment, and culture which is not otherwise directly comprehensible or available to us except as encapsulated in these forms, designs, and choices which resulted in these pieces.

            There is so much to think about in any expression, but the first step would be for anyone who wants a more vivid view of the world to appreciate all such organizing and productive efforts as expressive and informative even if appearing deliberately or exclusively pragmatic or utilitarian or otherwise unembellished.
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            In narrowly categorizing some things as art and some things as tools and some things as meaningful and some things as unmeaningful one misses out on a great degree of potentially inspiring and interesting, as well as useful, information.

            #18931
            atreestump
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              Pottery is a great example of how we ‘think with our hands’.

              #18947
              Rubsy
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                I would agree on the valuing side of things. I think some of the labels in the museum describe pottery being overlooked because of it’s low intrinsic value. I went to the British museum the day before and they used to have a large collection 2 galleries or so of medieval English  pots and tiles. They have diminished this collection and put just a few pots next to the Great Sutton Hoo treasure gold and garnets from the amazing artisans of the Anglo Saxons. They had the pots in really obscure places neglecting their 3d aspects and it was quite dark. This why I went to the Museum of London the day after thinking they have moved some of their collection. Overall there seems to be a lot less Medieval pots on display, I think my next step is the Geffrye Museum before it closes for refurbishment soon.
                It was quite funny listening to the dad’s trying to educate their brood on the failings of Medieval pottery, that “they hadn’t learnt to get it right yet”, an American dad in the British Museum , or “they hadn’t learnt about perspective and proportion” , a South African dad in the Museum of London. It went assumed that they were right , that the norm we have now is the correct view and therefore the Medieval expression in art was wrong.

                #18932
                atreestump
                Keymaster

                  On beards used in Medieval Pottery http://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archives/view/assemblage/html/9/cumberpatch.html#link4

                  Stroking ones beard brings the ancient Chinese kung fu master archetype to mind.

                  #18961
                  kFoyauextlH
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                    Pots of the future! Our stuff in a museum, we seem to have so much stuff and its rapidly multiplying like never before. There was less of everything or anything in the 70s for example. Its becoming really radical and trends are also quickly shifting and major technologies. My issues with pots are generally weight and maintaining or cleaning them and space. I really feel like I have too much stuff for the size of place I am in. The pots and pans and whatever seem to take lots of space too. They have barely provided any cabinets there are 2 drawers in the whole place. I am looking to buy pots of vertical space assistance and places to put things while getting rid of a great deal of books and large items and clothes if possible. I am going to get a bed that is lifted high to regain the space under it as well.​​​​​​

                    I​​​​​​f one looks at medieval art, some appears sparse, some appears filled with stuff (often with coded meaning). It is highly unlikely that they had the ability to acquire and collect as much stuff as easily as we can today nor had a place to store it. Sometimes owning certain items which seem simple to us now had prestige attached to it as well or indicated things about one’s desired status. Often the poorer people might try to get hold of something that appears to them to be of great value whereas a person without such complexes regarding their status might be willing to experiment with new things that seem to have not yet acquired a reputation.

                    #18936
                    Rubsy
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                      @”kFoyauextlH” 
                      If we move to the boat I think we may get a Dutch oven My dad use to make them to put on the stove. You can use them for everything. Put hot coals in the lid, bake and fry. One pot fits all.

                      #18938
                      kFoyauextlH
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                        That is awesome! Wherever you go, see if you can maximize ease and comfort and not make life too tight or miserable for yourselves over any ideal. The priority should be towards having a very nice time together if possible, so if the boat when carefully calculated makes life seem too restricted or too many more pressures or extra difficulties are added rather than reduced or minimized then that should assist in seeing if it is really a good idea or not.

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