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03/06/2017 at 14:10 #17991
Why do you think Christianity gets such a bad wrap in modern society? Do you believe it is justified? Do you see it as unfair, that Christianity has formed the basis of our culture for a long time and that it has a positive message for humans in general?
03/06/2017 at 18:07 #19579I think like anything that looks bad, its because of the people wearing it. Christianity is perfectly compatible with my beliefs and understandings, but popular Christianity as worn by the pagan masses is nothing but abominable. The same goes for Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism. All the religions generally are good, speak the truth, and are mangled horrifically by ignorant monsters with rotten minds.
The New Testament teaches good things, albeit risky in some ways if taken to extremes in literalism, which for the most part seems avoided like when people are asked to chop off offending organs, yet they seem to take whatever else they can to its maximum in incorrectness otherwise.
So here is the easy framework without much explanation or justification:
There is only One Power, its Power is generating and destroying (making and changing) stuff, information, what it and we experience or are informed of, the flat screen of information we are seeing, hearing, feeling, is produced by it immediately. It is Non-Information, Non-Substance, Power or Action itself, but action can only be known or acknowledged through apparent change, seen through information which appears animated and shifting moment to moment, frame to frame.
It literally is the only Life or living, everything else are just things it generates moment to moment and destroys and generates, they have no independence or life, they just appear as part of frames or screens of experience like parts of a picture, we ourselves are just provided the illusion of having any substance or being, we don’t. We are told what we are in a moment or “informed” by the information, the experience, which is all we are or seem to be and is inclusive of what we think or think we know that moment which may provide a sense of history. We could be something entirely different the next moment and would know no different, suddenly entirely convinced and “proven” to be a Japanese man in 1950 and all our experience seems to confirm this and there is no record of anything else. We experience this moment fresh things called “memories” which further the notion we are stable chronological individuals.
So:
Hinduism (Upanishads): There is only One Power, all is generated by it, returned to being like Nothing or Destroyed, and generated, by
Saivism: Shiva who is literally like Nothing, the Destroyer, who freely creates and destroys and is unmatched and unobstructed because there is only ever one Non-Information, there is no other.
Buddhism: We are empty and Freely and sporadically generated.
Mahayana: By the PrajnaParamita, within the Dharmakaya, who is like Nothing or Sunyata.
Vajrayana: Generating all phenomenon which exists through destruction, the Truth which is Chaos, the Buddha, never perishes.
Chinese: who is thus responsible for everything, Shangdi, the Unseen King and Cause that we worship willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly.
Taoist: Which is the Way, Eternal Action, it never rests and has no resistance and nothing can resist it.
Shinto: Our origin, and the origin of everything.
Ainu: Kami-Sama, the numinous Presence.
Daevic: Who is the power that puts into motion and is the opposite of Things or Stuff.
Zoroastrian: The One and Only God, who we worship at the 5 points of the day.
Babylonian: Who created all things as signs.
Near Eastern: Who is the First, El or Allah, who rules over all creations and concepts, their originator and ruler.
Hittite: Who generated the Covenant and Covenants, and made us appear the dominant species, granting us much in the way of good and pleasure.
Ugaritic/Canaanite/Phoenician: Who rules all nations and governments and controls all forms and appearances, the decider, the Fate.
Greek: None can go against the Power.
Etruscan: Which informs us through all things which are its Words.
Roman: That its Presence is Reality itself, seen everywhere.
Stoic: Telling by its Logos or Words and Commands.
Egyptian: That it is the Unseen (Amun) the King of the Nature and Powers (Netjer), who has the Dominion and Authority (Isis meaning Throne) and makes the Decision in Truth and sets the order (Ma’at). Who is Manifest and Makes Manifest (Ra), and Generates all things without partner or aid (Atum).
Judaism: Your Lord is One, there is no God but God alone. Encompassing all the Powers (Elohim)
Christianity: Who generates via The Logos, his Command or Word.
Islam: Saying “Be”, and it then “Be” (Koon Fiya Koon). Immediately responsible for all experience we experience, it is behind us and behind everything we see, controlling all we think and know and do. Choosing freely whatever it wills. All is from Allah.
Isaiah: The Good and the Evil, the Darkness and the Light.
Native American: The Spirit which Haunts the World, moving the wind and the trees and the animals and man.
Aztec: Shifting the reality effortlessly (see Aztec Philosophy).
Bhagavad Gita: There is no religion but the Surrender.
Bible: and there is nothing else to fear and fear perpetually but the One.
New Testament: Who can freely kill you and make you alive, and make you experience torture even after.
Quran: So Worship The One Power in rememberance of the Truth so you might prosper. You will not do it save except if you are created to do it, and thus it is a favor upon you if you are made to do it and understand and believe.
Protestant: By God’s Grace only.
Calvin: Who decides everything whatsoever at the First and in the Last.
Science: All language belongs to the human race.
Pragmatist: So use it.
The World: There is Nothing through which we do Not Speak.
Advertisement: We are Here. We are the World. We Matter.
Relationships: I care.
Teacher: I taught you.
Officer: We will get them and bring them to Justice.
Judge: You will be held responsible for all that you did.
God: and none does anything but Me. There is no God but Me.
Adopted child: You are not my parents! I am not your child!
Brat: You can’t tell me what to do!
Bank robber: Everyone do as I say! Get down on the ground.
Yoga class: On your knees and with your head to the ground.
Music video: Now feel the rhythm, now feel the beat.
Divorcee: I don’t need you. I don’t need to take this. I will take you to court!
Accused: They are lying!
Conspiracy theorist: Not everything you see is true! There is something unseen going on behind it all. Don’t believe the lies they say.
Mysterious Contact: He is waiting for you. Wherever you go, we’ll keep in touch.
Angel: For God it is effortless.
Time traveler: To be at any time!
Traveler: Any Place!
Tourist: Sights to see! Where you eat! Where you Play!
Roadie Mic Test: Testing, Testing, 1, 2, 3.
Army: Turn on the Radio! Incoming!
To the elderly: Can you hear me?
Special Operations: Target acquired. Target down.
Sports Announcer: Goaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal!
Producer: You’ll hear from us.
Annoyed: You always do that! You are constantly talking and bothering me!
Confessor: I confess, I admit it, I did it, all of that was me.
Actor: I was behind the mask, that costume is mine.
Dancer: Can you move like this?
Dance teacher: Move like this. Now bend, and up, and down and spin and turn and step and on your tip toes, and flat again. Very good, now again!
Jazz band: Take it from the top!
Rocker: We were jamming!
Sound Recorder in Studio: That sounded great. Heard you all loud and clear.
Waitress: Here you go. Enjoy!
Beggar: Alms for the poor! Do you have any spare Change?
Student: Can you help me?
Accountant: You send that in, you do this and that, these are your expected returns.
03/06/2017 at 18:59 #19572I was going to wait for @”thetrizzard” to give their interpretation, but I think I will provide it now with credit to him.
The time of year when we celebrate Christmas is the dead of winter, a time of death and cold, when survival is extremely hard and the days are short, darkness has its dangers etc, so what is more life-affirming than the birth of a child?
Some of Christian morality is life-denying, but I have had alternative view of resentment over the last year or so, resentment is a form of creation and resistance, of rebellion.
Also, some apostate Christians who become atheists act in ways that seem to suggest that denouncing the religion eradicates Christianity from the body instantly. This religion has been a major part of the formation of the culture we are born into and even though I was never raised Christian, I certainly have Christian ways of looking at the world and my principles are certainly Christian to some degree, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say I am an ‘anti-theist’, I just recognise that I embody the culture.
04/06/2017 at 01:18 #19573Socrates…thanks for the mention…This is something I posted elsewhere on Dec 24th 2016
The message of Christmas has for centuries essentially been about overcoming the odds and the endurance of the human species, it’s obvious really…..this time of the year has been for those living in the northern hemisphere at least, a time when the land doesn’t bear fruit, its also the coldest time and the darkest, it’s grim basically (or has been for our ancestors)…what better way to face these adverse conditions than to turn them on their head by creating a cosmic story with humanity at the centre and turning it into a time of feasting, turning it into ‘the most wonderful time of the year!’….from the 25th of Dec the days start to become lighter….what the traditional Christian story of celebrating the birth of a child simply means is to have faith in the future of humanity, and in the life giving power of the Sun…it’s a stroke of genius really…we all partake in the power of this myth annually….I’ve seen people running around for days on end like headless chickens all preparing for one thing, making sacrifices for one day, to celebrate Christmas Day with those we value, love and cherish the most, yeah Christmas can be a ball ache actually but the fact that we can act in one accord like this gives me faith that we as a race can still, when necessary all work towards the same goal….we are approaching a time when humanity will have to step up to save itself and other species on this planet….A Merry Christmas to everyone that’s celebrating right now, by doing so you are not only making businesses thrive by buying their shit but we are also demonstrating our collective will to power, although you may not be conscious that you’re doing it.
Yours Father Christmas xx
I’ve heard many people bash Christianity, although it’s mainly religion in general calling it irrational and life denying, for the weak etc…which is fine if it’s warranted, especially if dogma stands in the way of expanding our understanding or it keeps us in bondage…but we have to be also careful of religion bashing too much as this can become its own dogma and can blind us from its treasures, obscure its fundamental contribution to who we are as moderns and our link back to history and those that went before us….
04/06/2017 at 01:55 #19558Christians seem to remain Christian and were never what I consider Christian really.
04/06/2017 at 02:27 #19553
Christians seem to remain Christian and were never what I consider Christian really.
Christianity was never a monolith, in fact the term masks the interplay of many peoples, beliefs, practices and cultures…e.g. Sol Invictus
04/06/2017 at 13:28 #19549
Christians seem to remain Christian and were never what I consider Christian really.
Christianity was never a monolith, in fact the term masks the interplay of many peoples, beliefs, practices and cultures…e.g. Sol Invictus
In its most exposed form, Gnosticism and Astrotheology reveal the basic structure of Christianity, although it is not entirely symbolic of course.
04/06/2017 at 17:47 #19559I believe in Jesus, the Messiah, and Mary, his mother, a virgin, as a miracle and a sign to the pagans who always spoke of such things, to show them the reality. It turned to paganism again though immediately, even to the point of worshipping many Gods as Saints. I believe in Saints and miraculous happenings and people. I believe in Angels too. Not how they are typically depicted. Not what people say.
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The major complaint learners tend to have is Islam.07/06/2017 at 01:04 #19554Question:- What’s the difference between a man (theist) who judges another for having no belief in a God, and a man (atheist) who judges another for having a belief in God? Who is right and who is wrong? If they are playing the same game is it one that can be won? Who can tell me the outcome?
07/06/2017 at 03:22 #19574The difference based on a linguistic reading of what you just wrote is clearly stated as one is identified as a theist, the other an atheist. There is no further data provided in what you wrote. They were both men but one called theist tie other atheist. The game may be winnable, but all that can be done is betting on the horse most likely to win or the safest bet. This can be calculated by seeing what everyone is saying and seeing what achieves or covers the most bases (the requirements of all) while offering the worst threats and most benefits (where the others might be disregarded for offering no threats or more minor threats which one still may bypass by the Master Key).
For example, one can assess as follows: If Hinduism is true, then one gets another chance, so it is not the worst threat.
I cover the most bases, avoid the most threats, and work towards the best promise through my religion.
If the Atheist is wrong, they have no defense, if they are right then all that I did is equal to what they did and it doesn’t matter and I won’t be around to cry about it, so Atheism is no big deal to worry about.
If Christianity is right, God is forgiving, so why should I be concerned that I devotedly worshipped God alone? If they are wrong, then they will be called to account for their unique and exclusive blasphemies or reincarnate or end up nothing forever.
Going through all of what religions say, a careful reading of Quranic Monotheism and Universalism or the Perennial religion, covers the most bases. The Islamic worship covers the same that is often called the highest forms of Bhakti and Buddhist Meditation with the prostrations, though devoting oneself to Buddhism offers no threat, if Buddhism is right one simply reincarnates or achieves liberation.
Islam offers the worst threat and the best reward, so that if Islam is right, one potentially achieves paradise and avoids hell, and if Islam is wrong, one has covered all the religions taking the least risk without doing something disruptive or excluding like the blasphemy of stating God is a son, which then excludes one from Judaism and Islam so increasing the risk unecessarily.
So the active studying of religion can help one to determine the safest course to prepare for death. If one finds they are wrong, at least they had clear and justifiable reasons for hoping in sense and goodness and merciful justice.
07/06/2017 at 06:48 #19550
Question:- What’s the difference between a man (theist) who judges another for having no belief in a God, and a man (atheist) who judges another for having a belief in God? Who is right and who is wrong? If they are playing the same game is it one that can be won? Who can tell me the outcome?
There is no difference, the outcome is tribalism.
07/06/2017 at 12:54 #19563True! Humans wacking humans!
08/06/2017 at 08:38 #19581“God is dead,” (Nietzsche) and with the technological advancements and just the freedom to information has me question religion. The show/book American Gods explains this concept pretty well as people worship “new gods” over the “old ones.” Religion (Christianity) was only an interpretation of the world at that point in time and over-time it desperately tries to be relevant even today. I noticed that Christianity has people look “outward” for salvation for a unreachable entity. I often see this when people say “pray for me” or “need prayers” as if something/someone is actually helping. What that does is have people look “outward” for support rather than look inward and face their problems. Accept, understand, and then act on the solution one comes up with. Is it hard to accept yourself, yet alone understand yourself? Of course it is; anything worth doing is hard and Christianity just makes it “easy” as it creates a victim mentality. I don’t condone Christianity bashing, but rather seek to understand why people continue to follow such an outdated belief system.
08/06/2017 at 12:22 #19564I think it is important and useful to keep updating and improving.
10/06/2017 at 01:02 #19555It is my view that the polarising tribalism of the Theist/Atheist debate can be dissolved if they both realised that there is only the ‘Living Present’ and it this is what they were both quarrelling about in error all along
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