[kFoyauextlH]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbombo

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Forms

 https://a-z-animals.com/reference/animal-classification/

 https://www.google.ca/amp/amp.livescience.com/51649-four-legged-snake-fossil.html

 https://www.google.ca/amp/s/churchofahriman.net/2017/01/06/old-zoroastrian-monsters-khrastar/amp/

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prototype_theory

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archetype

 http://www.kheper.net/topics/Gnosticism/glossary.html

 http://www.kheper.net/topics/Gnosticism/first_emanation.html

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kadmon#Gnosticism

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypostasis_(philosophy_and_religion)

 http://biblehub.com/john/8-44.htm
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watcher_(angel) Enochian Angels and what each taught

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amesha_Spenta

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daeva

 https://books.google.ca/books?id=kGXelGEMdWgC&pg=PA15&lpg=PA15&dq=Amesha+Spentas+and+their+opposites&source=bl&ots=fy6kiJCiZ0&sig=3NcnLFvEE-vLQITPvCwUs6sIRfc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9qeyumtLTAhUHwWMKHXX1Ag0Q6AEIHjAB#v=onepage&q=Amesha%20Spentas%20and%20their%20opposites&f=false
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel

​​​​​​ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_demons

​​​​​​ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_(Hinduism)

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protogenoi

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progenitor
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavaevodata

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundahishn

​​​​​​ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asha
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https://books.google.ca/books?id=YT-kBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA65&lpg=PA65&dq=6+Ahuramazda+Primordial+Creations&source=bl&ots=EWwnmYe34L&sig=pj3X0tbDypx_Q0j76kYR7Ts3RAY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiEosXEnNLTAhVV4WMKHaB5DpQQ6AEIKTAF#v=onepage&q=6%20Ahuramazda%20Primordial%20Creations&f=false
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Cithra: “The precise meaning of this word in this context is unknown. It is traditionally translated as “seed”, which in the sense of “prototype” carries the connotation of a particular physical form or appearance. But the word can also mean “seed” in the sense of a “race, stock”, which Gavaevodata – as the primordial animal – is the apical ancestor of.”

https://books.google.ca/books?id=tIYRBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA345&lpg=PA345&dq=cithra+meaning+seed&source=bl&ots=RiypuxK2Cg&sig=U51OnrxIrmjpR2KW7rg0KEkSmlE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwij25yCntLTAhUV2mMKHRrsDFMQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=cithra%20meaning%20seed&f=false
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https://books.google.ca/books?id=Ypc0AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA528&lpg=PA528&dq=cithra+meaning+seed&source=bl&ots=YXiLpiDowy&sig=zhP5E_nTKOQ94Nwy-rriBRRUDlI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjOr5ewntLTAhVQHGMKHfXuCPsQ6AEILDAH#v=onepage&q=cithra%20meaning%20seed&f=false

 http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Mythology/chitra_chehr.htm
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arche
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apeiron_(cosmology)

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiji_(philosophy)

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taijitu

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amenominakanushi

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primordialism
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primordial_narcissism
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primordial_Greek_gods

​​​​​​ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adi-Buddha

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulayar%C4%81ja_Tantra

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trikaya

[Arkilogos]

Thanks for the comprehensive list of resources! 

This root word I have incorporated into my username Arki-logos, and to me it means primal pattern or an accounting of origins or even first word.

 i’m also fond of its structural meaning as an arch which brings to mind a bridge over a gap between diverse places. It remains the same and does not move whether alone in the air, entertaining a lone explorer or supporting a mass exodus. It’s purpose is to be trod upon and passed over.

[kFoyauextlH]

Awesome and perfect and right, even in Archon as odering principle.

” Dobiel, also Dubbiel (“bear-god”), was the guardian angel of Ancient Persia.[1][2] According to the Talmud, Dobiel was also one of the special accusers of Israel, and once officiated in Heaven for 21 days as a proxy for Gabriel when the latter (over whom Dobiel scored a victory) was in temporary disgrace for taking pity on the Israelites when God was angry with them and convincing the Babylonians to drive them from Babylon rather than kill them.[3] [4]After coming to power in Heaven, Dobiel set about helping the Persian people at the expense of every other nation. The legend states that all of the 70 or 72 tutelary or guardian angels of nations (except Michael, protector of Israel) became corrupted through national bias.[5]

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^ Daniel 10:13 “But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days; but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I was left over there beside the kings of Persia.”
^ Daniel 10:20 “Then said he: Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia; and when I go forth, lo, the prince of Greece shall come.”
^ Talmud Yoma 77a.
^ Godwin, Malcolm (1990). Angels An Endangered Species. New York, NY: Simon and Schuster. p. 115. ISBN 0671706500. OCLC 21227232. Retrieved 2013-11-15. “Once the guardian angel of Persia who stood in for Gabriel when she was in temporary disgrace. As we know by now virtually all the tutelary angels of nations ended up in the nether regions. Whether this is through over-identification with the national pride of their charges, or whether the Israelites had a lot of enemies is debatable.”
^ The Dictionary of Angels by Gustav Davidson, © 1967. “

[Arkilogos]

And to know ordering principle, speaks to me of reliability throughout all time. An pulse, a measure, a rhythm one can can pace oneself by. 

This brings remembrance of powers and principalities. Whereas principalities are as designated spaces, powers are as energies that inform spaces and propel matter into ever evolving forms.

[kFoyauextlH]

Absolutely, totally right again, that is what those ideas tended to refer to in their original context and it connects very much to Greek Platonic thought and Gnosticism as well. Excellent posts! I’d love for anyone to explore these ideas and write about them here if possible.

” I don’t think we can say there is such a thing as an original meaning for a concept, all is supplementary and constantly conjunct. ”

Oh yeah good point below (and above), I just meant that the word Arch and Archon and related words seemed to have to do with organizing and ordering. Today the word is also used in things like “character arch” and “story arch” as well, so having a beginning, middle, and end like the appearance of a structure in time or object and even a rainbow or whatever. It has associations with the triangle and the number 3 like Zeus, Poseidon, Hades governing the three realms and governance and ordering. When I said “originally”, I just meant to refer to what appear to be older associations or ideas apparently attached to the term and its use where ideas like Principalities and Powers mentioned by Paul of Tarsus may have also been somewhat influenced or how they were interpreted by those in the Greek linguistic framework.

So what is below the Arch in your following statement is explained above!

[atreestump]

Absolutely, totally right again, that is what those ideas tended to refer to in their original context and it connects very much to Greek Platonic thought and Gnosticism as well. Excellent posts! I’d love for anyone to explore these ideas and write about them here if possible.

I don’t think we can say there is such a thing as an original meaning for a concept, all is supplementary and constantly conjunct.

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