[atreestump]

I am in Canada. What are some ways I can avoid working and make enough money to survive with a partner as you do and focus on creative things?

The main thing is how prepared you are to live on the minimum – we are going to move onto a boat later on in the year, so that will bring costs down and reduce the need to work many long hours.

If you can in some way keep moving around and live in simpler ways, that is the key to being a creative person in a capitalist society. Vancouver Island has lots of artists, who sleep outside in trees or camp in the woods, but that’s only possible for now until they begin to become enclosed.

[Rubsy]

@”Serpius”
@”kFoyauextlH” 
I would like to interject on your lively discussion of what to do with the people so to speak. I often have problems with people and find it very hard to be told what I should and shouldn’t do. The imperative is my problem. I suppose that I have developed a value system where I think that the best possible society would have  the most freedom. There I come to an internal conflict where I judge people for being too judgmental.  I am often disappointed by people’s intolerance, whereas I have a deep belief that people need space to develop their own values. As slavery is intolerable for me I would not wish it on anyone else.
However in this day and age slavery still exists in it’s raw state, there is a slave market in Syria where refugees from the Sudan are traded and ransomed and killed if they can not extract enough value from them.  People are judged as to what value can be extracted from them. There is slavery built into the prison system. For example Trump’s refugee sub contracted prisons are only paying their prisoners a dollar a day for their labour and delaying their deportation by losing their papers in order to get more slave labour. This is all very sad and I can only say I never want to be on the wrong end of justice. That that is a fear most of us carry, but it makes hypocrites of us all, as we have to play the game to a point. If you want to step outside the box, the imperative is not to get caught. For me there is no such thing as justice in society, but if you can grab enough time and space you may be able to work on creating your own values or sense of justice and you have to take a chance in some way or other, it’s unavoidable.

[kFoyauextlH]

The best way to deal with the people is to enslave them just as one would a beast, so long as this enslavement does not cause the deterioration or loss of great minds. So then education is important, in order to try to cultivate the great minds and separate them from those best enslaved for their unwillingness to express themselves. That is the more lenient position as compared to killing them off as a major obstruction. There is in my view practically no chance of the same patterns not developing repeatedly. Life remains a struggle to survive and think and express and avoid the vile gaze of the people and the tyrrany of work and aimless selfless labor for the state or society.

The ideal state is a complete solitary unit, a singular immortal and utterly efficient person who has less needs and can focus on creation, a God in the thoughts of common people.

“The best way to deal with the people is to enslave them just as one would a beast”

Seriously??

Wasn’t that already a tried method done in the 18th and 19th centuries in the Old and New Worlds?
Care to share with us how well that turned out for the slaves?
Would you like to share with us the facts on how many slaves were killed by their masters through disease or torture?

North Korea dictatorial government for all intents and purposes is doing the same thing to their own people and how is that working out for those people?

So your logic is tragically flawed and is in serious need of re-thinking of this whole approach.

Hi! It isn’t tragically flawed because it is a process of thinking and you reacted correctly albeit a little unpleasantly.

The purpose for these radical statements is to bring to mind certain truth which lead us back to solutions. Things that may come to mind are “whose to decide what is good for me?” this is why I call these things thought programs.

I​​​​​ am a radical, and my intentions are generally to manipulate people into becoming radicals like me.

One such method of manipulation is to make true statements that lead to certain reactions or results.

For example, the word enslavement brought slaves to your mind and concerns of being enslaved. If you take it further, you will find my points repeated internally as a reaction, for example “animals want to dominate and not be dominated” and “I don’t want to be a slave, I want to be free or on top” and “I will have to fight to survive and fight off other dominating attempts by animals” which is an attempt to craft you into exactly what I would like you to be, a person radically opposed to being dominated or a person who allows themselves to be dominated. If you choose the first then we can move in that direction and moulding you into a further weapon of the cause. If you choose the latter we will further make you into a good and efficient slave.

It is impossible to escape well laid and flexible plans.

So if you have chosen the path of the fighter, why does one who is supposedly averse from slavery sit by and watch people slave away and serve them? At the local stores for example. Or is it that you don’t really object to the suffering plight of the people but mainly don’t want to be threatened by the prospect of being deemed unworthy and thus enslaved? Is that not what most have been deemed and what has already happened?

Serpius, my posts are not what they might seem, they require deep thonking and serious introspection. Like I have said before, I can use far fewer words or no words at all if my intention was merely to convince you that I am an idiot with no sense.
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Don’t think, Thonk.

[atreestump]

I often have problems with people and find it very hard to be told what I should and shouldn’t do. The imperative is my problem.

This meets with @”kFoyauextlH” here:
 

The purpose for these radical statements is to bring to mind certain truth which lead us back to solutions. Things that may come to mind are “whose to decide what is good for me?” this is why I call these things thought programs.

 

If you want to step outside the box, the imperative is not to get caught.

^This reminds of something Spinoza says, goes along the lines of ‘Punishment does not deliver feelings of guilt and regret, but rather embittered feelings of what terrible misfortunes have befallen me that I was caught!’.

[kFoyauextlH]

Excellent and yeah I really liked the post by Rubsy.

[Socrates]

Another aspect of capitalism that bothers me, is the dependency on the service industry in wealthy areas. Now, there is nothing wrong with having baby sitters, or a nanny for unexpected long term commitments at work, or due to illness etc. What is wrong, in my opinion, is the market that has opened which takes care of children, animal pets and cleaning long term which is pre-arranged – a person looks for a nanny before they get pregnant, a person looks for a dog sitter before they get a dog! 

While this provides jobs, it is a silly market. Why have a dog or child, when you need someone else to take care of them? The service industry is massively under-payed and is one of the worst areas of exploitation, the wealthy want cheap servants, but the servants can’t afford to live nearby and so they have to travel miles and miles each day for low wages and many hours, even multiple jobs.

The service industry has always been regarded as the job market for women and immigrants and is the first place to understand the wage and pay gap in a historical context and as an area of society where intersectional exploitation can be analysed in regards to Patriarchy and Capitalism.

This is a good example of where ethics and morals are overridden by the market – what kind of irresponsible practice is this?

[kFoyauextlH]

Very true. Sad there appears little to nothing that can easily be done about it. I hate those things myself. All I ever hear from workers generally are complaints, complaints about managers bosses co workers policies threats. Its a nightmare.

[atreestump]

At least they have policies and managers, most of the service industry are self employed or sub-contracted, so they have practically no rights.

[schi]

Going off the precedent of this thread I would just like to add that this model that which is currently renown as neo-liberalism is a plague for the worlds light. Capitalism championing individuality is backed by the markets of advertising and social media. Instilling a disturbing image that represents ourselves quite distortedly; is it intentional -probably. We walk with our guards constantly up, not daring to let anyone see our insecure selfs which capitalism successfully exploits. Rather than promoting solidarity and other communal like thought tanks.

All in all, yes it is a horrid system that seems to be so over head that you can’t help but count down the minutes to midnight with anticipation residing on your shoulders. But what do we do? We have this constructive thinking being taken place in all corners of the globe, but we still ask ourselves what do we do to extend upon this? How can a culture organically be overtaken with a sustainable functioning system to take its place? I think we can use this vessel [forum] to implement something great.

[on a side note]
Just want to point out the Russia, China, N & S Korea aren’t actually communist states, nor ever were. I am a communist at heart; and although I do understand the reality of that ‘governance’, I will never let a bad stain mistakenly take the beauty out of a society which is stateless and communally ran.

[atreestump]

What can we do? I totally agree @”schi” – neoliberalism seems so deeply entrenched that it’s hard to get under it or beyond it – solitary projects seem like the only way forward for now.

I also agree that ‘communism’ has never really ever flourished, or come to fruition, as such.

[Serpius]

Going off the precedent of this thread I would just like to add that this model that which is currently renown as neo-liberalism is a plague for the worlds light. Capitalism championing individuality is backed by the markets of advertising and social media. Instilling a disturbing image that represents ourselves quite distortedly; is it intentional -probably. We walk with our guards constantly up, not daring to let anyone see our insecure selfs which capitalism successfully exploits. Rather than promoting solidarity and other communal like thought tanks.

All in all, yes it is a horrid system that seems to be so over head that you can’t help but count down the minutes to midnight with anticipation residing on your shoulders. But what do we do? We have this constructive thinking being taken place in all corners of the globe, but we still ask ourselves what do we do to extend upon this? How can a culture organically be overtaken with a sustainable functioning system to take its place? I think we can use this vessel [forum] to implement something great.

[on a side note]
Just want to point out the Russia, China, N & S Korea aren’t actually communist states, nor ever were. I am a communist at heart; and although I do understand the reality of that ‘governance’, I will never let a bad stain mistakenly take the beauty out of a society which is stateless and communally ran.

A side note to your side note…

Technically, North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship state and has been since it’s founding in 1948. Sure, their North Korean propaganda has you believing it’s a communist state, but it’s not.

South Korea is NOT a communist state, never has been. It’s a democratic state with elected representatives and South Korea has a government divided into three branches: executive, judicial, and legislative.

[atreestump]

‘Communist’ states like N.Korea do have dictatorship qualities, S.Korea is capitalist.

See my thread entitled ‘The capitalist state’. It describes the three branches of government you describe.

[schi]

Going off the precedent of this thread I would just like to add that this model that which is currently renown as neo-liberalism is a plague for the worlds light. Capitalism championing individuality is backed by the markets of advertising and social media. Instilling a disturbing image that represents ourselves quite distortedly; is it intentional -probably. We walk with our guards constantly up, not daring to let anyone see our insecure selfs which capitalism successfully exploits. Rather than promoting solidarity and other communal like thought tanks.

All in all, yes it is a horrid system that seems to be so over head that you can’t help but count down the minutes to midnight with anticipation residing on your shoulders. But what do we do? We have this constructive thinking being taken place in all corners of the globe, but we still ask ourselves what do we do to extend upon this? How can a culture organically be overtaken with a sustainable functioning system to take its place? I think we can use this vessel [forum] to implement something great.

[on a side note]
Just want to point out the Russia, China, N & S Korea aren’t actually communist states, nor ever were. I am a communist at heart; and although I do understand the reality of that ‘governance’, I will never let a bad stain mistakenly take the beauty out of a society which is stateless and communally ran.

A side note to your side note…

Technically, North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship state and has been since it’s founding in 1948. Sure, their North Korean propaganda has you believing it’s a communist state, but it’s not.

South Korea is NOT a communist state, never has been. It’s a democratic state with elected representatives and South Korea has a government divided into three branches: executive, judicial, and legislative.

Yes. That is what I stated previously ^

I just took it upon myself to defend communism and its misunderstood doctrine since someone previously stated Russia, China and North Korea were communist states.

[kFoyauextlH]

I don’t want to help out my fellow man as forced by the state. I would like robots to do most things and leave people to work on their interests and personal development in the ways which please them. Robots should do everything they can be made to do, covering all menial labor tasks.

I also want the abolishment for the most part of credit for work as money, and people can just get whatever they want and just as easily get rid of it.

To make and focus on making the world as much of a paradise and utopia as possible. Everything made faster, easier, more open, accessible. Eliminating hunger, disease, poverty, mental illness, and pointless labor for labors sake, even education in some ways, where people can pursue areas of education that they may wish to for free but not forced and made to hate it.

[atreestump]

I would like robots to do most things and leave people to work on their interests and personal development in the ways which please them. Robots should do everything they can

Yeah, wasn’t that supposed to have happened by now? lol

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