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In the same debate I was having about ‘Hispanics and immigrants getting special treatment’, the same Trump supporter came out with this claim.

Here is what I said: (I have removed his username)

The bottom line is that immigrants do drain resources and break the law.

So do all humans.

As for the claim that they are a small part of the work force I’d scoff at any cite claiming that, come to Texas and tell me they’re a small part of the work force.

8,000,000 is not a small number, so of course, you will probably see them around. They grew by 32.7% in that state.

Also you did admit that immigrants were released correct? They should be deported not released as they’re here illegally.

How much does it cost to send them back, detain them etc? The catch and release for those particular categories has taken that cost into account.

I also have to point out that statistics can be manipulated and lied about, one paper can say those cities have low crime rates while others say other wise (He had given a link to some Daily Mail and Fox Sources)

The link you gave from Fox of all sources, is misleading. Violent crimes did rise, but that doesn’t mean it was illegal immigrants who did it, there’s no source to support their implied assertion – I found the 10% rise to be true, but there are no demographics.

The sources I gave you show how illegal migration actually shows a decrease in crime.

The idea for the $10 million fund was announced by Mayor Eric Garcetti in December, with $3 million coming from Los Angeles County and $5 million from the private sector.

LA has a budget for this of $6 billion, if they can afford $10 million, they should go for it. Los Angeles City Councilman Curren Price Wednesday announced a plan to create a $1 million fund aimed at helping immigrants with naturalization applications and other services, including deportation defense help.

So they would be able to become legal with the help available here, I know these numbers look really high to everyday people, I find sharing these numbers doesn’t do much for people to make sense of things, but in the context of how large budgets are, it’s nothing, plus, $5 million of it isn’t coming from LA, it’s coming from the private sector, so at the moment, only $1 million has been laid down and with the private sector deduction, it’s only $5 million or so coming from the city.

It doesn’t mean they will get legal defence funds for commiting crimes of a violent nature and the catch and release policy does not apply to these types of migrant criminals.

Also I’d like to say it’s not that they release those guys because it’s a waste of resources, it’s likely a political move as I stated earlier.

Based on previous analysis from the Center for American Progress, a mass deportation strategy would cost an average of $10,070 per person, for a total of $114 billion to remove 11.3 million people. So I disagree, based on these figures that it was a political move and not a cost vs. benefits judgement. It costs $1450~ to naturalise a citizen.

Also, capitalist neoliberal economies keep unemployment high to keep inflation down, if you removed that 5% of workers, you woud have massive inflation, then there’s the problems with Trumps’ taxation policy.

One last point I actually know people who come here just to have anchor babies, just because they’re not criminals does this mean they should be allowed to be here as many of them have taken advantage of Medicare etc fir their kids?

3.8 trillion is the US budget – migrants cost around $113 billion a year. That leaves $3.6 trillion – hardly put a dent in it.

Military spending however, which is the most risky investment the US has blundered over the years and is the main reason (apart from outsourcing and China’s growing economy) the USA is no longer the hegemon, is $611 billion, which still leaves 3.19 trillion. It’s this spending on the military that is causing the influx of refugee migrants by the way. The two policies of anti-immigration and pro-overseas military intervention are incompatible.

$3 trillion was the amount the US paid out to the bank after the 2008 crisis.

We live in a globalised world, these people are doing what anyone would do to survive. That’s a personal acceptence of this phenomenon on my part, I don’t see the need for borders at all, nationalism is an outdated concept in its death throws – especially if Trump tries all out protectionism – the US will enter trade death.

The problems are at the top, jumping a border is not a crime, as you admitted –

just because they’re not criminals

Compared to the damage capitalism is doing to the countries of these people who migrate, immigrants are the victims and require understanding. There’s enough to go around for everyone, it’s just neoliberal economics that has destroyed opportunities for everyone.

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states

The numbers in this link are the same as the ones I have seen, so as regards your earlier quote:

I also have to point out that statistics can be manipulated and lied about, one paper can say those cities have low crime rates while others say other wise

This has no relevance to our discussion, apart from how Fox blew an already disclosed piece of information out of proportion, with racist implications.

Also the rate of foreign workers has increased, the reason for this is because even in America a big corporation can pay them lower wages.  Why do you think Filipino and Indian workers are brought in?

 

Yes, to keep inflation down. You are angry at the free market, not immigrants.

Because they’re more competent or will happily take the lower wages.

 

Because they have no choice – capitalism is really taking off over in their countries and they have been enclosed the same way we were 200-300 years ago during the industrial revolution. Forced away from simpler, more sustainable ways of living that were locally operated, because of enclosure and land grabs.

It’s the same principle behind opening a factory in Mexico rather then in the USA.  A USA worker will get paid maybe 30 dollars an hourwhile a Mexican will get paid three dollars an hour.  I assume this influx of foreign workers has also caused minimum wage to remain at an all time low.

Yes, so the problem is outsourcing and consumer capitalism, debt markets etc – not immigration. The problems are at the top – the capitalists are the real criminals, not migrants. It’s all exploitation and immigrants are being scapegoated – the facts are in the figures.

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