[Socrates]

Here is a pdf @”thetrizzard” shared via PM:

http://www.unm.edu/~ithomson/Thomson.pdf

Also, this was an interesting read-

http://www.academia.edu/1738235/Lectures_on_Derridas_Violence_and_Metaphysics_2016

[atreestump]

In regards to ‘the secret’ – the word ‘secretion’ has many similarities to Derrida’s description of language.

Secret- means ‘moved apart’. Other meanings are akin to emanation, leakage, ooze, production and leaching – after all, deconstruction is parasitic and like an earth quake.

[thetrizzard]

I’ve decided not to end it there with the (Routledge Critical Thinkers) book on Derrida, I’m now reading ‘A Companion to Derrida’ edited by Zeynep Direk and Leonard Lawlor (2014), which is the most intellectually up-to-date book on Derrida’s work available….in this book there is an excellent essay by John D. Caputo called ‘Derrida and the Trace of Religion’….I have have been aware of Caputo’s work for a while and I think this may help those members of the forum that want to deepen their introductory understanding of Derrida.

[Socrates]

I have a copy of that too, I will read that one essay and get on Lacan.

[thetrizzard]

Also look at the Chapter entitled ‘Play and Messianicity’ before you move on to Lacan

[atreestump]

Also look at the Chapter entitled ‘Play and Messianicity’ before you move on to Lacan

Will do.

[thetrizzard]

I highly recommend the John D. Caputo lecture on YouTube

[Socrates]

I highly recommend the John D. Caputo lecture on YouTube

 Going to watch it when I get in.

Although this thread has not (as of yet) revealed anything mindblowing, it has been a great team effort of sharing links and resources, little pointers here and there.

I think we should keep to this kind of method, reading an assigned book per thread.

If you want to, you can open up a new thread for the companion book in the reading area section. I will definitely commit to it if I am reading it with someone else.

[thetrizzard]

I agree, nothing mind blowing as yet but to be fair, it takes a while to get a grasp of the terrain and the concepts employed that map out that terrain. However, reading prepares the ground from which insight flourishes, and although there are areas covered in the Routledge book that I am unfamiliar with, the Caputo essay and lecture (together) has for me build on previous knowledge and helped elucidated some of the unfamiliar concepts covered in the routledge book…Caputo (in the lecture) has a knack for putting post-structuralism into its intellectual context and why it disagrees with the claims of the structuralists ….Caputo’s essay inparticular is good for fleshing out Derrida’s importance in a number of fields / disciplines….his repeated reference of ‘the impossible’ is explained and it’s good for understanding Derrida’s reference to Deconstruction’s in relation to that which is ‘to-come’…also excellent for explaining Differance as a transcendental field (from which all forms are conditioned or constructed)…which when understood (if only partially) IS mind blowing….read the essay before listening to the lecture and let me know how you get on.[hr]It seems to me that this idea of Chaosmos from James Joyce referred to by Derrida, has Dialectical Monist overtones

[atreestump]

It seems to me that this idea of Chaosmos from James Joyce referred to by Derrida, has Dialectical Monist overtones

Is that in the essay in the Companion?

I have opened a dedeicated thread for that fyi: https://ontic-philosophy.com/Thread-Zeynep-Direk-Companion-to-Derrida

[thetrizzard]

http://www.crosscurrents.org/Crockettwinter2003.htm%5Bhr%5D
I highly recommend the John D. Caputo lecture on YouTube

The first 30 odd mins are the best

[atreestump]

A passion for the impossible – I really like that bit.

I think I got the secret when I wrote my Plato and Mysticism thread, the secret does and does not have to exist for us to search for it.

Love the Spinoza summary.

[Socrates]

Really enjoyed that link about religion. Almost like he is describing the formation of religious passions in the moment.

[atreestump]

I laughed when Caputo says ‘anything that is un-deconstructable has not yet been constructed’ as Derrida explicity makes it clear that Justice is un-deconstructable. 😀

[Socrates]

‘The still belongs to a process which is generating effects’.

Form and plasticity are effects of Differance also. Deconstruction is a destabilisation that holds a promise that could be a disaster. It goes on whether we like it or not, it is the very movement of time itself. This is what Derrida terms autodeconstruction – a series of transformations; a series of reinventions going on all the time.

We can involve ourselves in it however, we can participate. We can prevent the event, or try to anyway. Promotion of the event is also possible. 

Prevention can be reactionary or conservative. Promoting is proactive, or progressive. 

Are all the changes that go in these systems rule governed, or are they open?

If you know the rules you can predict all the events that the system will produce. Post-Structuralists say these systems are open-ended and are capable of producing unforeseen, unprogrammable, events. A deep code is written in our brain according to materialists like Chomsky, but to Post-Structuralists, argued against this and this brings up a discussion of metaphors. I have read about this in the Wittgenstein and Derrida book.

A metaphor is the attempt to break the rules of language ever so precisely.

Metaphoricity and history of language indicates it is an open system capable of producing new effects.

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