[atreestump]

@”Whisper” brought up a decent point that I have wanted to bring up for a while. I always find political and sociological discussions to have annoying limits intrinsic to them, for example, when discussing rape culture or patriarchy in general, I know of women who have been raped and shamed, I have experienced oppression, but I simply can’t share that information in these discussions.

If you do, it will be dismissed as anecdotal for one, but there is a double standard when the opposite confirms a bias. I don’t want to discuss with the immature types who can’t see the irony of never taking these issues seriously, leading to silence from the oppressed party as the best choice.

[kFoyauextlH]

So what is the solution? Can speak freely and warn and ban those who seem to make a mockery of those things. People might take my mysticism or mystic sounding talk as lightening the subject because of my use of the word Rape which is a very serious word for me. The only mildly humorous element in it is being a strong man type and being put in the unusual seeming position of the victim and using the word in reference to nature or natural activities which people don’t generally connect with words like rape and murder, even though these are in my view fully understood by the purveyor or enactor of these concepts and inventor of them in every sense.

​​​​​It is pretty annoying to me as well when these words are not taken for their specific meanings and implications when used.

Rape to me, in its general usage, seems to contain at least two main concepts. To force something upon someone, to take something from someone. Additional concepts include strength and trickery. The concept of rape was extremely popular in the Ancient world and Classical world, and often associated with the divine as well.

In political and sociological dialogue it can also have a more encompassing meaning than an attack of a sexual nature where some form of unwanted invasion occurs.

Another area where I fall out of line with the trends is when I similarly attack what is commonly considered permissable just because it exists, if I were to suggest most sex includes coercion and is generally a form of rape similar to first drugging a person, as seen in how many events occur when the person returned to their senses then regrets it and wishes it weren’t so, but my version extends also into society convincing people they want it or wanted it or are wrong fornot wanting it and did want it if they went along or didn’t know or so many levels of blame that a person is left silent as well.
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Which brings up the real underlying point of both subjects. The human interest in whose to blame and how and why.

[Whisper]

@”kFoyauextlH” Victims describe it as having part of their soul taken from themselves. It’s also something that the severity of it can only be imagined until an actual loss of the sorts has occurred, it seems to me. This may alienate the audience from the speaker. A moment very powerful to me was when a woman I respect much as a friend and is a second mother to me admitted to being raped in front of a teenage male. She did it because the teenager was shaming a cousin of his, who was being manipulated and used by men at drunken parties. She had a moment where she stepped in, and stood up for another woman.

Ontical, I do believe we can more concretely express the issues. It requires good authorship skills. What my friend did to that teenage male got across to him, and the maturity of it. I can use their real stories, many women have opened their stories up to the public! My problem is, seeing it in a documentary rarely expresses the power of these real life experiences. Imagine triggering someone’s PTSD, or traumatic experience in the presence of them. Imagine seeing the oppression playing out, even in less severe ways. We can hold people accountable if we have the time to forms groups, and organize IRL. This is only a loss because of how people communicate on the internet. This is why I have an issue with how we communicate, even on this forum!!!

[kFoyauextlH]

What can we do to improve? I really try to be very sincere but it is text and up to how it is read which is in many cases apparently read in ways I don’t really intend. I put no effort into deception and I don’t edit my raw and thoughtless first speech or fret about the words or how it comes out or whatever.

These are all efforts to try to present things in text online as sincerely and nakedly as possible with no masking effort or pretending or trying to be cool or smart or whatever people do.

This is like talking to someone with nothing to hide, nothing to lose, nothing to gain, open with their agenda, sincere with their thoughts and words and representing the most automatic and unedited straight from the heart and mind dialogue written with great speed and discomfort with no sparing any time for flourishes or luxuries, written almost in a trance with compulsion.

So talking to me on here is really talking to me like how I might talk to me in my own head.

I don’t generally sense that from everyone online as a common thing or in real life, but I am also so straight and real in real life too and it gives people an impression of irresistable charm and power like this person has impact and is trustworthy and true to their heart and lives unconcealed and can be known.

What improvements would you reccomend though for the way people communicate on this forum?

[Whisper]

I’m not throwing out an accusation, I am just talking about fine storytelling being of importance in human expression.

[atreestump]

I found this PDF on Patriarchy to be a great example of the story telling you explained: http://imaginenoborders.org/pdf/zines/UnderstandingPatriarchy.pdf

I was referring to the internet limitations.

[kFoyauextlH]

Oh that is an excellent point.

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