[Socrates]

In the first chapter of The Republic Plato says ‘justice is nothing else but the interest of the stronger’. 

This aphorism is a very ancient one, in its older usage, it holds a top to bottom view of force and power, but thinkers such as Foucault see power as a capillary force that we all exercise.

What are your thoughts on this?

[kFoyauextlH]

We all exercise it. The most powerful wins. Not necessarily the most good or beneficial. The strong can bully and force entire Empires into the ground, suppressing those with more intelligence and better plans that would likely receive better results. Brute force is like a blustering wind, the wind wears away the structures in what seems to be a pointless exercise. People generally don’t blame the wind for this energetic display because they don’t expect the wind to have a mind, maybe they expect too much from people, as it may be people can not control the power running through them and are like scraps at the edge of an incoming wave, only appearing to be the head of it.

​​​​The most blessed is the one who can not be obsyructed or unobstructed, and they are not given this status by any deed or worth, but happen to be the one, the undefeatable foe, the victor, the lucky power and power of luck. This one can do whatever and without repercussions, far from ever being “right” it determines such things and can blatantly pervert them or destroy them too and none can stop whatever none can stop, but we should try.

The exercise of Being is to struggle against everything until you reach what can not be overtaken, and to exercise your power until you know surrender through never giving up and non-surrender. Anyone who gives up, falls short.

[Socrates]

So do you see it as a state of nature?

[kFoyauextlH]

Violence? I don’t find it necessary, but in our realm it seems to be the way things work, practically everything is forced and forceful, we hear things we don’t want to hear which force us to think things in order to understand them, its just one huge event of pushing and being pushed, which I can imagine is a novelty in a vacuum or with nothing else around, but I’d say this whole thing is really disturbing, but then can you imagine what it would be like to push and never be able to get a result or meet pressure or sensation or touch anything? That would be hell too. One of my practices is to come up with hell meditations, simulating all sorts of experiences in order to really understand versions of those feelings which arise in people.

I don’t think any of this is necessary though, so if Nature is equated with Necessity, then I can’t say this particular aspect is really necessary as I don’t think it “had to be this way” from the very physical aspect to the more metaphorical version of the way things work in social interactions and human behavior.

In nature, the strongest doesn’t always win between or against a weaker, but whatever wins in a sense is left to be the strongest, and finally the strongest of all are the most imposing circumstances, like Chance or Freedom (God). So neither is might right, nor is it the determiner of what wins, except in the case of the One Might, of which all are made equal before it by being unrankable and unpredictable and randomized. The two lions, the strongest doesn’t necessarily win, any strange interference, even the bite of a spider or some strange twist can lead to a weaker in every way lion being the one that carries on. Nothing is stronger than Chaos or Madness or Freedom/Randomness.

[atreestump]

Locke holds that the use of force by the state to get people to hold certain beliefs or engage in certain ceremonies or practices is illegitimate. The chief means which the magistrate has at her disposal is force, but force is not an effective means for changing or maintaining belief. Suppose then, that the magistrate uses force so as to make people profess that they believe.

[kFoyauextlH]

Its just a difference of narrowness or broadness in what is considered qualified as force. My use is very broad and equates force at its maximum with undeniable reality. In the case of political or social structures, force is generated made up of a certain matter, known as “matters of fact”, things which people are forced to accept, like “it is amatter of fact that if you go out running naked you are likely to be threatened and stopped with violent force” which itself is very real and serious, even though it has no really strong or sensible reasoning behind it “it is simply what is done” and that is just a small imitation of “it is simply how it is” which is the acceptance of what is considered unalterable or what should not be altered, its right to remain as it is granted by its apparent difficulty or early presence ” It was here before me and so has the seniority and is the convention, plus it appears difficult to stop or change (it is too strong seeming)”.

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