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  • in reply to: Eyes or hands? #18516
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      I only share links or suggest that someone read an article when it has relevance to what is being discussed and it’s not meant to come across as ‘do your own research’, which I consider insulting (not always). Philosophy’s main tool is language – we are trying to come up with the best possible explanation with the fewest assumptions possible.

      Politics inevitably will have biases, this is because we usually start with what we have in a material sense, for example, it makes no sense for me to advocate policies that only benefit the rich and damage the poor, as it is not in my material interest, but material things don’t count for much within politics and economics, what count are desires.

      We are all projects, projecting towards the future with projectiles flying at us and justice is the thing we are all answering a call from, that is what drives us all, that is what philosophy started out as, it asks what justice is, what the good is and what is the best way to live a good life.

      I don’t advocate a kind of relativism, which is another way of saying ‘every view is as good as every other view’ as this simply isn’t true and never has been, but we all have varying perspectives, different truths about the same reality but they all contradict each other.

      The ego is entirely a construct, we are made from the outside and it’s nothing more than a film between reality as it is and our experience of it, it is only language that separates us from the rest of the world around us and so there is no inside/outside in many respects, but this separateness and differance (not misspelled by the way!) or the differentiation and deferral of meaning is the necessity of being. Differance is justice.

      Thank you for your truth. I can feel it. Now I can reply back with no hesitation….

      If you label something you are doing two things. You are bring it into life and you are destroying it at the same time. Bringing it to life means giving it a meaning. Destroying it or killing it by putting a limit on it. Something created  doesn’t know what it is but it knows it has a purpose. I believe that anything created by man is not perfect because we are imperfect beings. We try to create a “perfect” system but something like this Perfectly balanced Earth can never be recreated by Man. Because it was the power of evolution that created Earth to create everything within it, including Man, and this is why no one can answer “What Am I, or Who Am I?” The Earth may not be “alive” to many but it is, because we are alive. Earth came before Man. This is fact. And nothing created by Earth has any reason to fear…but the “other” is needed for the balance that the system is built upon. I really respect you and your views, but they are just not complete. If you can imagine the primordial spiral as you close your eyes…just think that everyone is on the top thinking they are at the bottom of it…which is the “point” ,the end. But its never ending…so no matter what you think or how much information you gather to find your answer…your ego will always be there, doing what it does. To be a individual. Unless you “let go” …which means to empty your cup or empty your mind completely, which is utterly impossible unless you just go on faith alone. This is how religion was built upon…to play to peoples ego. But we can clearly see that who ever created it wasn’t the actual “god figure”, as the book was written by Man, just an interpretation. Because religion has killed so many but I say, it needed to happen in order to get to where we are. People say that “mother nature” creates things to keep it alive and it has created so much natural disasters to keep the population down. Things such as Man to create religion, or the plague, or Ebola. We just havent died out yet because it was waiting for something. “it” to be awakened. 

      However, your truths has kept my interest because without you, I would not learn. Others need to be seek others in order to grow. But I still think you are wrong but I accept you as you are as I hope you accept me as I am. This makes us both continue down our personal primordial spirals and thats what I truly want for all. To just accept that they wont find thier way but know that someone has actually found a way to keep searching for it. Like a well known motivation speaker or spiritual coach. But I shift to philosphy and science to try my luck on the Minds that need to see someone in person and not some deity created by Man. But Man created Man to bring everyone together. like the missing Link. Or Link from Zelda, a Hero. The Hero of a thousand faces. 🙂

      in reply to: Sell your soul #19476
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        I mentioned the gut brain in another post and I believe this is where the soul is.

        Sounds a lot like Gilles Deleuze take on Spinoza and nutrition, which I mentioned in another thread: https://ontic-philosophy.com/Thread-Beginners-Spinoza-Nourished-or-poisoned-essences
         

        I personally believe that religion is just a perspective of some very intelligence people who created a notion of control by providing stories to the masses.

        Marx said this.
         

        I believe my notions are absolute in their meanings but can’t really be comprehended by another because the language to express what I truly
        feel is not created yet.

        I can understand this, you have a gut feeling about what’s going on and then you try to express it, but language fails you. In all seriousness, why is that you have no problem with expressing your feelings, or having the pursuit of it and others don’t? In other threads you always talk about ‘logic before feelings’ but this post here tells a totally different story.

        If you can ever drop your notions of me as an SJW, we could do a lot of work here that would be of value to all of us.
         

        So if the language isn’t created to express myself, how can people take me serious when I talk about what my holograms are. But to get back on track….the soul is the source or the beginning of creation.

        We all have to ‘come to terms’.
         

        To sell my soul is to be completely honest in what it is. However, I wouldn’t want my soul to be in anyone but me. However, he one really wanted it…I would sell it for nothing. because i believe if the person “wore” my soul, he/she would go mad. its my soul…its original and therefore wouldn’t like it if I gave it away. So in a sense its alive, like another
        separate being inside me.

        Cartesian Dualism and Vitalism. Also, a sale without price is a gift.
         

        Except its absolute and divine and selfish,
        everything that I am not but I accepted it so in return, it accepted me. And I became whole. Which is another way of saying that I actually found my source and would love for someone to “try it on” at least. In other words, tell me what you think?

        I think you perceive your soul as an unobtainable ideal that you try to fulfill and always fail at.

        I love your insights as it created more and more ideas that answered my own questions about life and my pursuit of finding “it”. I have no problem saying what I feel as I speak from the “gut brain” and not my actual brain most of the time. Its like something is controlling my hands as I type but I dont really care what I put down…as I already have the answers I seek. I take everything that I have ever heard, saw, felt, tasted, smelled and put it under one big microscope where my “gut brain” is doing the research and my brain is just managing the speed at which I can go. Like the “gut brain” is the navigation, but the brain is driving. This is why I love to learn…I’m gaining more and more perspectives but can take my time because I am unknown. I am not known to anyone and I love the feeling when someone meets me because I am just a reflection of their inner most being. In other words, I act like a mirror, or atleast try to do as someone who is talking to themselves always agrees with them. Thats just me, Mr. understanding which is Intellectus in Latin. The more I reveal myself to this World, the more I feel alone. As I listen to the music that is created by others, I can’t help but feel the emotions that they felt when they wrote it. It sometimes makes me cry, or get mad, or even just mellow. I constantly smoke the best THC, which is what happen to me to open my mind up to “it.” 

        My search for the “it” is never complete but it is complete when I say it is. This is why I can keep learning but don’t really enjoy it at times. Being here has taught me many things as I write my story. But my story is just that. A way to express myself to show others “the way” which is my “it” but again. Unobtainable, but that will never stop me from failing. As failing is just learning from the mistakes to me and I love learning….and failing…and learning…and so on and so forth. Like the primordial spiral.

        in reply to: Being #19682
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          The story seems to have the same sort of structure as most creation stories we see from Gnostic texts, or QBL.

          I honestly don’t know what those are, and I will look them up after this post. But the story is actually my …. 3rd grade level interpretation of what “it” comes from. I can’t tell you what “it” is because the language to describe “it” is not yet invented but the 6 clues can help others find a better idea than the story.

          The story is the end to the beginning, which is to say that “end” can be something “bad” like death, or the Bible calls it “the end of days” but it soon transitions to something good….a fresh start.

          Something that many people have trouble doing.. just gathering all your things and moving to another city. It takes everything to let go to the past and start anew. Just how the father in the story had to do in order for his son to find his own way to find the answer. Just like I did when my finally moved on from my ex wife…this notion can be anything…basically a metaphorical “just let it go” or “the truth shall set you free”

          in reply to: ‘No Ego’ and ‘Non-self’ #19656
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            I understand…but I don’t really care. There are many forums and many ways to express myself. If I am not wanted here, I will gladly go. But for some reason, I came back.

            You are entitled to your opinions and you are welcome to share them here if you want to talk about them.

            All I ask is that everything be civil and I will endeavor to do the same.

            I don’t class myself as a ‘Social Justice Warrior’ to be honest, but neither am I anti-feminist, reactionary or conservative. I have left leaning libertarian views that are anti-capitalist and have read extensively on feminism and post-structuralism/structuralism etc. I don’t get along with the Social Justice community as I hold views that they disagree with and they usually refuse to talk about them, they can be just as bad as those they point the finger at.

            I don’t like identity politics and criticise it often. I don’t fall into traps that lead to tribalism and I certainly don’t associate people with others they have never interacted with simply because they say similar things, I try my best to talk about things and I try to distance myself from sensitive topics so that I can talk about in an intellectual way, some may see this as ‘cold hard logic’, but all I am interested in is actually knowing what something means and how it relates to other ideas.

            I hope you stay and that you continue to contribute to the forum. I was thinking of nominating you for member of the month when the nominations open tomorrow actually. 🙂

            I agree and apologize wholeheartly with my comments. Sometimes my gut brain goes off and my brain just follows as I believe the gut brain is the key to self-awareness….anyways. I will stay because I was really thinking about you guys and how much you guys helped me. I wouldn’t have created “it” without this forum. Thank you.

            in reply to: Being #19675
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              He didn’t know why he was there or where he came from but also knew it was for a purpose.

              I like this, kind of like saying ‘there is something secret’ but the secret does and does not have to exist simultaneously for us to even begin seeking it.
               

              The figure spoke and immediately, the boy recognized the sounds. Before the boy saw light, he saw darkness but could hear the sound of the figure, and how smoothing it was. The boy trusted that the figure could answer the question he kept asking himself. “What am I?”

              It is not until one encounters another that one begins to question their place, purpose and well, ‘being’.
               

              Before the boy could even figure out how to make a sound, the voice said “speak.” The boy asked “What am I?” The soothing voice said he could not answer the question, because you are “whole”, or the perfect being of light. “You are all that is good in me, therefore I can not tell you because you are not aware of the other yet, that of which is not good, together you will find the answer: What am I?”

              Reminds me of how separateness, although a necessity, is the meaning of sin.
               

              His father explained that the boy had the power to create anything he desired however the catch was that he only had one chance to create himself. This creation had to reach self-assembly, or autonomous patterns without any help from the boy. The boy was confused, as everything he thought to himself was getting him nowhere and the more questions he asked, his father would have a answer, but they spawned another question and another…and another. The father interrupted him and explained that he has all the answers to his questions within, but thinking with the “other” will eventually give you the answer to the question: “What am I?”

              Infinite possibilities always boil down to one outcome.
               

              Clue #1
              Everything that has a beginning has a end, but after the end is the beginning.
              Clue #2
              Create in balance, everything will have an opposite that will cancel each other out when they meet.
              Clue #3
              Make it extremely easy to do but extremely difficult to master.
              Clue #4
              Create in absolutes, and extreme ambiguities
              Clue #5
              Make it fun, like a game that never ends
              Clue #6
              You will lose yourself, but that’s the point of being

              Nice.
               

              The father now had to leave, but explained that he will find the boy again when he creates himself. The boy agreed but the figure didn’t move. The father said he was having trouble letting go of his creation but then explained that his creator told him that letting go was just the beginning of the journey. The boy didn’t understand what he meant but reassured his father that he will find the answer: What am I? The boy returned to his thoughts and wondered what he looked like. He then used his clues and came up with an idea to create the “other.” The other had a voice that wasn’t smoothing but tolerable. It was very truthful, so much that it sometimes hurt. It called itself, “Guts,” and called the boy “Brain.” The boy didn’t like the name, but he figured that Guts knew best because he created him. As time past they often argued about everything and couldn’t come up with anything that was worth creating. The 6 clues created more and more questions, however, as more time passed, they both created 6 separate clues of there own.

              The guts are like the passions and the boy is the active will?
               

              The two finally came to agreement and decided to make a game called hide and seek. But there were as one. So they decided to create a huge explosion so they can be two. However, they miscalculated and exploded into a massive number: 274,207,280 x (274,207,281-1) to be exact. The 6 clues constantly created from the 6 clues without any help but eventually created a place where the two could be together again. This place is called Earth. The rest is history. The End.

              Although there is a necessity for self-creation, when it occurs, there is also contingency.

              Really great post, hope you stick around.

              Thank you for your comments as I also appreciate the change in reputation. I love how you quote and come up with your own conclusions. That is the point of every sentence that was in the story. Your right, there are many possibilities but everything comes back to one point. The point is just that…your interpretation. This is the beauty of being.

              To answer your question about the “Gut Brain” you can look it up but its basically how hunger can make you very primal. Its closely related to “Hara” or the place where the Japanese thought the “the light” was. The stomach or guts. Its also where characters in Dragon Ball Z explain where their power comes up. This can be seen in the episode where Gohan teaches Videl how to fly. This is also where life comes up, as a Women creates life in the Womb.

              Again, I can tell you what the story actually is based on: Before the Big Bang. But that’s just it. Its just a story. but created to create continuously autonomous thoughts in others.

              in reply to: ‘No Ego’ and ‘Non-self’ #19634
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                I read it already, I am sure I will add more to my responses soon.

                A word of advice – don’t bring up anything you don’t want to talk about and if you don’t get along with any member (including admins) you can use the block function.

                I understand…but I don’t really care. There are many forums and many ways to express myself. If I am not wanted here, I will gladly go. But for some reason, I came back.

                in reply to: Being #19668
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                  That which makes self-creation and reassembly necessary.

                  Awesome, we believe that we are “one” but we are actually “two” This can be translated into “the word” and the “interpretation of the word”. Some call it Logos and Rhema. Our minds work as “one” set of languages that speak to us and our 5 senses interpret for the Mind. In other words, you can say that the Mind has a “voice” but can not “see.” So we evolved to interpret to ourselves in order to stay individuals. In other words, even our own interpretations have no effect on our minds as you read this and disagree with mostly everything I say. This is the Ego that is blocking you from accepting this as full faced as I speak from the heart. Only in person, or getting to know me will ease your Ego as Trust has that effect. Like the boy trusting his father to show him the way. Also, this is why people can not truly see what others have in other minds because its impossible to see something that wishes to be unseen. You can throw countless names of dead men at me to counter argue, but the story is about creating. And it doesn’t matter how you create, it matters if you get the message and come to your own conclusion. Which you did.  🙂

                  in reply to: Being #19666
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                    Like it. Freedom requires recognition from the other.

                    What do you think the “other” is?

                    in reply to: ‘No Ego’ and ‘Non-self’ #19633
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                      Good to see you back.

                      What I will say as an interjection, is that biological sex defining gender in terms of reproductive capability is a social construct that has been performed from Christianity onwards, see Monique Wittig’s work ‘The Straight Mind’.

                      I will. I posted a story to explain everything. Please read. its called “Being”

                      in reply to: ‘No Ego’ and ‘Non-self’ #19655
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                        No ego = acceptance of perspectives with no hesitation of the acceptance/understanding. Unconditional love to seek that which can not be obtained. Perceptibly hard to obtain but ultimate salvation when you reach it.
                         *Like running up a very steep hill and then getting to the top and feeling relieved to reach the top to go down hill for some much earned rest. Like you cursed gravity and then praised it. That feeling*

                        If you are accepting of perspectives, then how come you can’t talk about women? The unconditional love part definitely sounds like the ideal, much like the metaphysics of Gnosticism and Vitalism.

                        Everything was created by self. It didnt have a gender but had to create in balance. A man and women are just that…a balance to create life.

                        in reply to: Your most Radical thoughts! #18934
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                          Please feel free to use this thread to state the most radical thinking and thoughts you can muster. Even better if these are radical thoughts you particularly hold and can defend your meaning and reasoning for. Though if you mention ideas which you find radical but don’t subscribe to personally that is fine as well but should be mentioned.

                          I will begin by providing some examples. These can be philosophical positions or point to certain overall systems or theories but should be the sort of thing that is defensibly true or true-ish and can also be a personal position which appears obscure or politically incorrect or taboo.

                          Making mention of such things is to bring out into the open the extreme ideas we may secretly harbor or otherwise believe possible. Please don’t make mention of mere illogical and senseless , they have to be at least workable and have some sense behind them while being radical or the sort of thing which might make trouble or get a gang of thugs to join in on a kicking spree of the odd one out.

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                          The value of women seems to me to be adjusted or increased by their perceived beauty or attractiveness while men are only saved in the view of many men by their ability to make one laugh. The ability to make one laugh can help an ugly woman but seems less helpful for her than it does for a man. The dominant mind in the use of most languages in literature appears to be male and thinking in such a fashion to the point where even women for the sake of speaking have adopted these common modes of self description and valuing themselves or their category based on male standards of beauty. If a woman is ugly, she appears in a great many senses doomed , but an ugly man feels that way as well , luckily they may have more strategies for acquiring or receiving help than an ugly woman in some ways at least. I have said all this to provide the background for the statement that I value women for their beauty and men for nothing really. If it came down to choosing between a man and a woman a woman would have more interest or value to me than a man even if he were more intelligent seeming than the woman. , so long is she is somewhat attractive whereas a man wouldn’t be and my decision may just be the sort that saves the human race, keeping them longer in the tortures of Samsara.

                          The fundamentals of anything ever created by man can solve any complex problem made by man. The notion is that one needs to look all throughout time to find the answer. In other words, use data from all sources of worth. Like science and religion, or philosophy and math. Use conceptual theory and blend everything to create something that no one has ever thought of.

                          This includes ALL questions that we burdened ourselves with since the beginning of man. However, we wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for the thinking of man so is it bad that we are here on the eve of destruction of our own planet? Well, yes and no. Its a chicken and egg scenario, a oxymoron. But anything worth in the universe first needs to suffer. Its like losing something and then realizing its importance only once you lost it. So, our suffering needs to happen, and for a good reason. Because the end is not really the end of the World, its a new beginning. like when Jesus said “I will be with you till the end of the world.” but the actual word used was Aeon (age). I will be with you till the end of the aeon. Which is 2150, the age of Aquarius I believe. However, I would like to see this new World for myself so I’ll try my best to help it heal in my own way and speed up this process.

                          in reply to: Sell your soul #19465
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                            (
                            kFoyauextlH thought you might appreciate this thread as well so i’ve copied and pasted it here)

                            I have created this thread as an exercise in exploring the deeper meanings behind concepts.

                            How would you go about selling your soul?

                            This thread is not about why you would or would not do such a thing (I know many of you would not do such a thing and think its stupid etc) that is entirely not the point.

                            For this exercise you will need to go into detail on 2 main parts.

                            1. The soul – what is it? each person here will have a differing idea of what the soul is, so go into as much detail as you can on your idea of what a soul is. 

                            (this thread is also not about arguing over whos version of the soul is right or wrong, that does not matter and is not the point. if you have questions for somebody else, when you reply to them follow the rules laid out in their description of what a soul is, you can ask them to clarify these rules etc but dont come at them from your soul-idea because you are asking them questions about their soul-idea)

                            2. The sell – after you have explained in detail your idea and concept behind what a soul is describe in as best detail you can how you would go about selling it/ transferring it to somebody else etc.

                            I want to stress this is not about selling a novelty item such as a peice of paper stating “you own my soul” but the actual act and method of transferring your idea of the whole “Soul” as you describe above.

                            Not transferring the concept of the soul.
                            Not transferring the idea of the soul.
                            But the actual soul-object itself as described above.

                            As a very simple example.

                            1. Soul – an apple, a tasty fruit to some varying from greens and reds comes from a tree, can fit in most hands.

                            2. The sell – a customer comes up to you asking to purchase a soul, you pick the soul up physically hand it to them and take some local currency in exchange, the soul is now theirs they are free to do with it what they wish. Throw it, eat it etc.

                            (The above is a very simple example, i will be slightly surprised if something similar comes up.)

                            I look forward to seeing what you can come up with.

                            The soul is the source or meaning of one’s purpose in life. Everything in nature has a purpose and the soul is just another word created from the Brain. I mentioned the gut brain in another post and I believe this is where the soul is. This is why some people believe in “soul food” because it is hunger that you must feed in order to subside it. But how does one’s soul “eat”? I can go about this a couple of ways but soul is closely related to the spiritual realm so I’ll start there. I personally believe that religion is just a perspective of some very intelligence people who created a notion of control by providing stories to the masses. We seek power, and there are a few ways to get it, but the best way is through the soul. So the stories of religion base the stories on the soul, therefore everything that comes from religion has to do with someone’s soul. This is actually correct as the soul is actually the source. But the name “source” is just my interpretation of the soul and just another perspective in the World. I believe my notions are absolute in their meanings but can’t really be comprehended by another because the language to express what I truly feel is not created yet. So if the language isn’t created to express myself, how can people take me serious when I talk about what my holograms are. But to get back on track….the soul is the source or the beginning of creation.

                            To sell my soul is to be completely honest in what it is. However, I wouldn’t want my soul to be in anyone but me. However, he one really wanted it…I would sell it for nothing. because i believe if the person “wore” my soul, he/she would go mad. its my soul…its original and therefore wouldn’t like it if I gave it away. So in a sense its alive, like another separate being inside me. Except its absolute and divine and selfish, everything that I am not but I accepted it so in return, it accepted me. And I became whole. Which is another way of saying that I actually found my source and would love for someone to “try it on” at least. In other words, tell me what you think?

                            in reply to: Eyes or hands? #18506
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                              Yes, try thinking that body is thinking as a whole. A single unit…

                              I see the body as entirely social, the body is made up of ‘dividuals’.
                               

                              I personally believe in the “gut” brain being the primary brain and our brain the secondary.

                              Totally agree. It is a mistake to only think of mind/brain as being entirely in the head, we are awash with sensations and reactions throughout our entire body, reflexes and reactions.
                               

                              This is why I think some women inherently  feel that they are “higher” in authority  just because they can create life….

                              Can you give me an example of who you are referring to? I don’t know if this is the case.
                               

                              This is a interesting notion that Heidegger had, and I think he was on to something…he just stopped thinking and made a decision too early….you need to keep going down the rabbit hole and reach the end.

                              Well, this is just one particular aspect of Heidegger, he most certainly expanded on this and so did Derrida a few years later. What decision?

                              Women question: I am speaking in general terms of course. But as women obtained the right to vote, they became aware of “power” of men. I’m not saying I hate women, just a simple observation of the past. Women have always played an important role in being the protector of the house and care giver. Its primal, or close to the source. However, the mind has taken over as the “dominant” brain as I already explain that I think the gut brain is primary. I believe women played the most important role in that she was the “reflection” of the man meaning….the better half…the person he went to for help for anything he had a problem with. This is more power than man will ever have yet, this notion is lost in the pages of time. Women started using their “rights” or their brains to make the decisions leaving Men grasping for a role. 

                              A mans role is simple, go out and hunt and gather the resources to the home, and protect the ones he loves. He is primal, logical…closer to the source than the women i believe, however, understands that the women can create physical life, therefore needs to do anything to protect her. However, over time, the mans role has been thrown to mean nothing..as women are seen to graduate in higher numbers, make the same if not more as a single women in the same field, and believe that they are oppressed. All of which is just a role of the man and women that is shifting due to people’s feelings, and not logic. 

                              So what can anyone do about this since its now considered the “norm.” Well, self-awareness will bring one closer to the source, therefore make a decision based on primal roles. Which worked because nature intended them to work that way. Thinking in the brain rather than the gut brain destroys the balance because everything has a purpose in nature. We evolved into the one thing that the planet didn’t account for….or it did and its just waiting for something, or someone to shift it back into balance.

                              in reply to: My NDE #19505
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                                So there is a short version and a long version of the story. This is going to be the short version.

                                My NDE occurred in a near drowning situation. I was in very cold water.  I wasn’t choking on water but more so realizing that this body wasn’t going to survive the experience much longer. And with that realization and acceptance of it, I exited the body. 

                                Then I was looking down at my body floating listlessly in the water, but what I could feel was absolute peace stretching forever in all directions. I realized I could simply travel into it in any direction and leave the earth and my body behind…. so I motioned to go. 

                                And then a multilayered stack of voices spoke to me, they were all women and the lead voice was that of my physical mother …they all felt like mothers, they spoke at once and simply said “Don’t go yet.”

                                I then reflected that choosing to leave would devastate all my friends and family. And it would be a selfish decision…..so I came back, re-entered the body and got out of the water. 

                                 This is all I have time for this morning, I’ll write more later and answer any questions if I can. There was a great deal of accelerated consciousness going on throughout this experience. Much more so than the every day consciousness I was used to.

                                It is widely known in the spiritual World that you need to “die” in order to “live” This doesn’t mean to actually die but to metaphorically die. If you reached death and you created a hologram in which your life story was expressed to you by you…then you have something that is close to the source. The source is the way or the meaning..or the purpose being and not doing. Since we are human beings….not human doings…its the ultimate goal of the creation to reach its individual purpose (you). This is actually my way of saying that your on the right track to find your purpose if only you can complete the story and learn something from it…like a Hero and then tell your story to others to influence the World. And everyone is a Hero in their own story…

                                Joseph Campbell has a good book called “The Hero of a Thousand Faces” which to me is first known collection of stories to be influenced by. They are confusing..yet interesting in the way the stories are told, because they have many similarities that they couldn’t possible have because the people who wrote the stories where from different places in the World. This is very significate and one has the question: How is this possible? Well, I personally believe it was the stars that gave people the means to express themselves in a way to justify the world around them. One needs to understand that one needs to put everything that makes him/her into a thought. Like, if you really wanted to “feel” like you where reading something like the “Hero of a thousand Faces” then you need to imagine you being there in that point in time. Like time travel but in the mind. Its possible to imagine anything if someone actually expressed it in a way to understand. I’m trying my best to be very clear. So after I read the book, I came up with my own conclusion about it.

                                I believe in influence and it has a certain power over us as Human Beings. We can’t choose the past but only accept that it was the right path it chose in order to get where are presently are. In other words, in order to accept your present state then you need to accept the past with everything you are. This is hard to do, but easy when you think of the power of  imagination has over the Human Being. Imagination has more power than influence because influence is set to be from the outside and imagination from the inside. Anything closer to the source or you, has more power over you. 

                                That being said. The book is a total influence gold mine, where the “beginning” stories are expressed and every story after that, since that point in time is influenced by them. This is why the Hero archetype is the oldest I believe. So, the purpose of the book shifts from being just stories to then explaining how we actually grow or create. It is these influences that create the creation that is in our heads….because we physically weren’t there when the Hero did his mission or duty…but his interpretation of it. And this is why some stories depict some crazy, out of the physical world aspects such as Hercules killing a lion with his bare hands. So it becomes physical vs metaphorical notions. Or he said/ she said. This is why evidence is key to understanding…

                                In conclusion, we are all rehashed stories of old. We just put our face on the Hero and believe that we are Hercules when we hear the story. Its control. its a form of power that people in power have over others. The power of the Truth which is subjective to the Hero that actually faced the adversity. 

                                P.S The actual conclusion that I got from the book is that someday there will be the Hero of a Thousand Faces…meaning the person who can shift into anything and be anything but in his mind…there for he is. Like I think, therefore I am, without any hesitation or feelings towards who he interacts with. This person is the last of the influenced. The final end. because everything that has a beginning, has a end. and then begins again to have another end. Never ending like a primordial spiral.

                                in reply to: Eyes or hands? #18490
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                                  Many philosophers place an emphasis on the eyes, the cognitive function of sight, as the main way we think and get ideas, this tradition is most explicit in Plato and Descartes.

                                  Other philosophers, notably Heidegger, talk of hands as the main point of recognition, as we ‘grasp’ ideas and craft, that is to say ‘think’ with our hands. Hands can also reach for the other.

                                  Any thoughts on this? I suppose my question is, are there any other parts of the body that ‘think’?

                                  Yes, try thinking that body is thinking as a whole. A single unit…just like your able to type on the computer, while sitting down, while reading this, why probably tapping your foot…it goes on and on. I understand that people need to “focus” on one thing to really understand it…but the best way to understand something is to get the whole picture of it first and then break it down. This is the same for any idea….like what is the purpose of this conversation? Answer: to explore if there are any other parts of the body that ‘think’…that’s the purpose and everything that you can think of is the “right” answer. I personally believe in the “gut” brain being the primary brain and our brain the secondary. The “gut” feeling is primal…its source is embedded in us…this is why babies are born in the womb…its a symbol of life…a creation. the Mind can create but only the womb can house physical creation. This is why I think some women inherently  feel that they are “higher” in authority  just because they can create life….So the gut brain creates physical and the brain creates metaphorical. This is a interesting notion that Heidegger had, and I think he was on to something…he just stopped thinking and made a decision too early….you need to keep going down the rabbit hole and reach the end. But that is impossible right? its impossible to believe that you can come to any conclusion based on anything that is in this physical gut brain or the actual brain because eventually you need to make a decision.

                                  This is why I understand that people are wrong but are also right in their own way. I really see the end, like the end of the rabbit hole or the primordial spiral..its never ending but its like I can go further if I just thought one second ahead of every decision ever made. This makes me sound so arrogant…but its genuine belief.

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