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Maybe worth a separate thread about being horrible b*stards and big time celebrities put up on pedestals, since they often seem abnormally evil and also abnormally successful.
I have a hunch, but I’ll have to do more research on the matter to feel a little more confident about it, that the ideas people have had regarding the Ancient Egyptian religion and the things being emphasized are extremely skewed by deriving that information from mainly royal funerary art.
Like, it is possible, this fuss over the extremely popular Anubis may be an anachronism that doesn’t really represent any particularly ancient popularity or fervor, though Wikipedia insists otherwise.
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Probably the same reason that Hermes is more popular among Hellenists than Zeus or Hera…Because guide/psychopomp deities tend to be more accessible to most people than the “divine king” sort of deity like Ra and Horus. (ie – as an anti-monarchist, I don’t really deal with the “royal” deities unless I have to.) Also – the need for guidance and the experience of death, those are universal human experiences. Kingship/rulership is not. It stands to reason that people are drawn to deities they can identify with instead of those they cannot.
”That sort of dialogue makes me eye-roll hard, and most people seem to be cosplayers, and maybe that was always the case.
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because a lot of us furries like canines. i dont unless its a red fox. im sure the netjeru are amused by all of this but genuinely hope we see Them as different from the yiff (furry p*rn) we make of Them. i know i do – i love Sobek a lot!Upvote
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So…I was looking for an altar piece to represent Anubis and nothing I found seemed quite right. Until one day, in the grocery store of all places, I saw a little planter shaped like a cartoonish red fox sitting up with his eyes closed. I swear, I could hear him shouting in my (inner) ear “Ooo, that! There it is, that one! Yes!” (Obvs I got it, lol) It’s far from traditional, but it brings me comfort, so I go with it. shrugs
”Really disturbing and totally exclusionary, alienating, I could not even begin to relate to whatever this demographic is, they totally cause in me a feeling of deep, genuinely visceral, revulsion.
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“you wouldnt find thirsty comments about Baast” check out e621.n*tUpvote
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This whole thread is becoming a bit messy. Please show respect for thet Netjeru and one another. To do otherwise is definitely not in line with Ma’at. We should be lifting each other up.Upvote
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exactly. saying furry stuff (sfw or not) is b*stiality is just 🙄 further proof antifurs have no idea what theyre talking about
”Everything just ejects me, I’m locked out of interacting with practically anyone by the presence of downright freaks.
Anubis, also called Anpu by recreationists, has very little to do with the vast majority of anything, and these people are obsessed because of tomb art most likely, and then end up wanting to f*ck every wall they happen to see. What God is there for these people but their half-heartedness and whole-hearted insanity and quite literally following their lusts and weaving such into all areas of their lives, not only just their self-designated, self-called “spirituality”, which I can barely stand still around and pretend to tolerate approvingly, they are sacreligious people who in the past likely would have been considered abominable heretics by any mainstream culture, way before Christian moral norms. Like playfully making graphic s*xual images of deities to do with serious death rites and rituals? That makes my heart leap with rage at the audacity, even the hubris and the irreverence of this new way, and they are the ones also calling themselves the devotees, yuck.
Anubis served a function, you could not sway Anubis, and so the usual sort of swaying operation was unlikely to be occurring, nor is it really normal or common in mainstream cultures outside of royal tomb settings to be obsessed with death or thinking about it all that much before it is at hand, and most people were not specialists in such matters, those who were had their own training which most would not have been familiar with. All that should e logically obvious, but even academics seem to be deluded by what they have and an inability to speak about what they don’t have.
How skewed would an understanding of a modern culture be by visiting modern funerary settings and dialogue around that topic, and sering mainly that, and thinking it was some big thing for the majority of people and what their culture was centrally focused upon because that is what we have, and why would so much work go into these modern mausoleums or whatever things people use now and build lol, or to think the lack of things in offices and what does exist in offices has a meaningful message about what the people we assume were in those offices felt or thought or believed.
Even Dinosaurs, the way they are depicted and recreated, are totally misleading and fake, flesh directly on the bones, which would have made ridiculous images on the animals we happen to know if the same stupidity was applied and they were depicted by just putting flesh right on their bones and insisting such things existed because we have the bones.
Those are only some examples of the delusional world of lies that every generation seems to have uniquely existed in, with different errors surrounding them based on how they were misinterpreting things and being illogical when limited information was being worked with that had come from narrow contexts but was being misapplied and misrepresented with sage-like con-artistry to back up suggestions and claims. Now people often say they were all wrong, with the implication that these days we’re alright, but how, when we should be the same?
Since no one is at the other forum yet, I’ll copy paste what I wrote there, here, and then we’ll see if people make there way to one or the other:
https://forum.indieagora.com/viewtopic.php?t=3
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Boethiah Khaine
Post Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:35 pmThis is my first thread and I’ll use this as my initial staging ground and office to discuss just about anything I may be thinking about.
, and anyone can feel free to ask me my opinions on anything they may be interested in asking about.The two characters mentioned in the title can be looked up along with the possible origins of their names and the etymologies of those, the first being “Aid”, the other being:
https://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Cain.html
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The verb קנן (qanan) isn’t used in the Bible but it appears to tell of the weaving of many strands into a dynamic and interlocked network. These strands may be reeds and twigs that a bird weaves into a nest, or it may be acts of trade and routes of commerce that together combine into a bustling economy. Noun קן (qen) means nest, and verb קנן (qinnen) means to make a nest.Verb קנה (qana) means to obtain, i.e. to acquire or in some instances to create. It’s the regular verb for a commercial purchase. Noun קנין (qinyan) describes an item acquired (or created). Noun מקנה (migneh) means cattle (as unit of commerce). Noun מקנה (miqna) means purchase or purchase-price. Noun קנה (qaneh) denotes some herb on a stalk, or any rod, reed, branch- or stalk-like item (in this sense, a plant “acquires” its branches).
The verb קין (qyn), which isn’t used in the Bible, occurs in cognate language with the meaning of to fit together, fabricate or forge (often of metal things). In the Bible occurs only the noun קין (qayin), meaning spear. Note that our modern word “franchise” comes from a word that meant spear, and originally denoted a free man, i.e. one who had the authority to bear arms, own property and thus conduct trade. The earliest republican government of Rome was called curia, literally spear-bearers, and the link between bearing a spear or other such ceremonial weapon and a senatorial government (a government by tribal elders) appears to have been pretty much globally understood throughout history.
Noun קינה (qina) denotes a kind of sad poem; a dirge or lamentation, which both had to be fabricated and could, presumably, pierce a person’s soul like a spear (which is an obvious Biblical figure of speech; see Luke 2:35). The denominative verb קונן (qonen) means to do a dirge, which could be either to chant or compose one.
The verb תקן (taqan) means to make or become straight.
”Which connects to something else I was reading about earlier:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resheph
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The Hurrians also incorporated him into their pantheon under the name Iršappa, and considered him a god of commerce. Through their mediation, he also reached the Hittite Empire. He was also introduced to Egypt, possibly by the Hyksos, and achieved a degree of prominence there in the Ramesside period, with evidence of a domestic cult available from sites such as Deir el-Medina. The Egyptians regarded him as a warlike god, but he could also be invoked as a protective healer.
”Also Remphan or Rephan and Zaltec, a mixture of fiction and curiosities.
A lot of themes overlap regarding these names, for example, Boethiah is from the Elder Scrolls series of games as a “Daedric Prince”, a demon or a daeva in other words, and has to do with themes of division and a faction of elves separating from others, with story points extremely similar to those found in Warhammer Fantasy which have to do with Khaine. Zaltec has to do with similar story points, and division between his “brother” Qotal, similar to what is thought to be the theology of the Zurvanist strain in Zoroastrian thinking where Ahura Mazda or Ormazd is considered the “brother” of Angra Mainyu or Ahriman, but based on any sense of conflict between Tezcatlipoca and Quetzalcoatl, a chaoskampf perhaps more so emphasized by Western interpolation and influence. In the case of Khaine, there was a juxtaposition made with Khaine and Morr.
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daedraphiles
Both series, Elder Scrolls and Warhammer, have similar ideas about a number of things, and in both series the “Dark Elves” worship Boethiah exclusively or Khaine exclusively at some point in the various editions, so the idea that the “Dark” is associated with monotheistic fervor for a God of many names or forms seems to occur, as it also does in the stories regarding Zaltec. Khaine and Zaltec are associated with Dark Magic, in the case of Zaltec it is called Hishna magic which is then countered with Pluma magic.
In the case of Dungeons and Dragon’s “Dark Elves” or “Drow”, they are similarly fanatical, but are into Lolth, who is similar to the Elder Scroll’s Mephala, and in Warhammer the “Druchii” or their “Dark Elves” have an interest in Ereth Khial, thought to be named after Ereshkigal. Ereth Khial sends “Rephallim” which are named after:
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There is no consensus regarding the exact vocalization of the name “Rpʾum” in Ugaritic, since the word does not appear in syllabic texts. The first syllable, /ra/, is mostly based on Semitic names from Ugarit, Canaan, Mari and other places written in syllabic text that carry the element Rpʾ. Examples: Ra-pí-ú-um; A-bi-ra-pí; Ya-ku-un-ra-pí; Am-mu-ra-pí; Ra-pa-Ya-ma; Ra-pí-DINGIR and more. It is not certain, however, if the element Rpʾ in these names refers solely to the Rephaim[.] For the nominative case, several readings have been suggested in various studies, such as Rapaʾūma, Rāpaʾūma, Rāpiʾūma, Rapiʾūma and so on.[1]
”So the things brought up in these games are often heavily inspired by things that have been believed in the real world, and also provide some clues about where the Western authors and minds behind these things position themselves and what they say of the “enemy”.
Another important character or entity is “Slaanesh”, who also seems to appear in the Japanese Manga “Berserk” as Slan, and has some overlapping features with Boethiah and Mephala. Atharti is Warhammer’s “Elven Goddess” of “Pleasure and Seduction”.
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Atharti may be a play on Astarte, the Phoenician goddess of fertility, sex, and war. Her name appears in Ugaritic as Athtart or Attart. After her cult arrived in Kythera — whose name refers to both a Greek port town and the magical realm of the Greek goddess Aphrodite, many suspect that the two gods are one and the same.
”Even though most people today, even those who claim to believe in and take the real world versions of these things seriously, seem to actually barely believe, if at all, in any of this stuff, since they do not seem to have a very strong belief in any of it and prefer it even in the most malign seeming forms for the sake of aesthetics in a post-Christian perversion or as “Anti-Christian” both in the sense of a replacement and a counter Christian opposition.
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Worshippers of Ereth Khial hide themselves amongst the High Elven society of Ulthuan, as they are considered mentally disordered blasphemers for worshipping a goddess who promises the Elves only an eternity of torment and slavery within her horrific realm. [1a]They perform vile ceremonies entreating their goddess to send the wicked Rephallim to snatch away important High Elf counsellors, military leaders, and mages. They summon the avatars of Ereth Khial with dark rites and set them upon their foes using talismans unique to each victim — effigies made using the target’s hair or blood, or treasured items stolen from the prey’s home.[1a]
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Such obsessions must of course be kept secret, for the worship of Ereth Khial is widely considered the sign of a diseased or ill-adjusted mind on Ulthuan. Those marked by the Pale Queen’s touch are inevitably exiled or imprisoned should their terrible secrets be laid bare, yet her priests and celebrants have never been entirely eradicated from Ulthuan’s shores.[2a]
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Re: Boethiah Khaine
Post Mon Jun 16, 2025 11:09 pmIn my belief, I tend to disbelieve in anything being chance, but instead believe that everything is necessarily deliberate and precise, so that even these fictional stories reaching what are assumed to be so many minds, makes them “chosen” for the task, besides also generated in the first place by an ultimately singular animating source intelligence. So the idea that these things refer to what could be justified as real or potentially real, such as the real source of whatever we can see exists and is experienced by us or what potentially may exist and may be experienced, is one that I pretty securely possess, in a way that I think goes beyond most modern people who may say that they believe but are more interested in aesthetics or the feeling they get by half-believing, practicing, or pretending. I have doubts about their ability to actually believe all that much, and I wonder if it is even possible for a number of people to process information in certain ways that might be a prerequisite for what I would consider a genuine internal sense of belief. Therefore, I even doubt what the most shaken looking Christian may be insisting upon, as I think that at least in many cases that they may be referring to various things but calling those various feelings “belief”, which I don’t think can exist in the same way as the identically named “belief” in the reliability of heating water to make it boil, which is expected with a far greater certainty than anything that certain people may claim that they “merely” believe in, since belief has taken on aspects of fervent insistence without certainty that would make failure create surprise and mystery, like “why isn’t the water boiling”?
My interest has always been in designing my understandings to be “fool proof”, as much as possible, though there are areas which may have more anecdotal insistence, like my aversion to callous dealings between people having overall unpleasant results. I think that certain things should absolutely be insisted upon, and if superstitions work on certain people, that such may be the lesser evil to quickly convince people to do what I would perceive best and best for them.
In my version of understanding these frequently disparaged things that people consider “evil”, I do not keep them “evil” in my understanding, but turn them around and sterilize them and believe that the people calling it “evil” are just doing the usual polemical attacks on something they are misrepresenting as a “boogie man”, like how they do with the Qur’an for example, while what they claim is beautiful and glorious in almost every way seems to actually be the opposite and the actual overt evil full of corruption and backwardness, such as we are seeing made so explicit today in the “live streamed” mass murder and starvation of a walled in and trapped population that has been tormented and poisoned and harassed by the supposed forces of good, who even appear on the media to state boldly things like “this is about good and evil, barbarism and civility” and junk like that, which you can see and hear here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ceEoIbNTJ … ure=shared
This is the “Western Media” that is also the structure with the standards that is leading to the particular ways ideas are expressed in other media, like fiction, fantasy, and games, all of which I mentioned seem to owe something to J.R.R. Tolkien and the sources he drew from to create his “Mythology For (The West)”, since he stated that he wanted England to have an epic of its own. What he produced seems to have the same placement of things from before and to this day, the chaoskampf of what would become Christian and “Western” self-righteous “pride” and in my opinion “error” against the reality, of the past and all the people, a supremacism stemming from the seemingly insane claim of particular and non-universal “chosenness” adopted from an originally obscure confederation of likely “untouchables” who had been ejected from normal development in societies due to their occupations, all of which generally had to do with the “dirty work” of exploiting bodies and the use of the body as a tool, so hired laborers, mercenaries, and pr*stitutes, who decided to become “a people of their own” and deify themselves and their occupations in the form of one of the few Gods I consider completely fabricated with no basis in reality or anything real. This fabricated God of fabrication itself and dehumanization, that represents the desire to exploit everything and thus destroy harmony and balance, is in my opinion the only true demon, one that is generated from the aggregate ill will of people who care nothing for the dignity and the shield of believing in the sanctity of things.
So, though it can be traced to a variety of different sources or otherwise different eruptions of these sentiments seem to repeat and get acted upon by people, currently we seem to be dealing with one particular strain that has consumed most of the world, led by the “West” and “Western Thinkers” from and who have passed through the history of Europe under Christianity, as already thoroughly corrupted by its predecessor, and has reached through to the “East” through Orthodox Christianity and Communism, Commercialism, and through Islamic imitation, particularly in post-Qur’anic and extra-Qur’anic materials.
So, the “other” and “the dark forces” seem to just be a way to villainize and dehumanize any people up for enslavement and exploitation by the “machine” and the grand pyramid scheme that at this point seems to have no one really running it, except a few lame brains trying to surf it at the top, and as always, at the expense of everyone and even everything on the Earth, including themselves and their own families.
Humanity is for the most part docile to their own detriment, though no amount of spilling blood may even permanently stop the exploitative and heartless sentiments that keep resurrecting this ancient mutation or deformity that exists within human beings and perhaps some other things here and there, but still, some people really should be fought against on every level and in every way to spare ourselves and so many more the true horrors they have in store as “the good guys”, the very same they claim are the intentions and actions of “the bad guys”, which is to act against all fairness and justice with impunity, with a tiny self-protecting class dominating and treating like bacteria the vast majority of everything everywhere, monitoring, dominating, stealing from, r*ping, pleasuring itself, exploiting, k*lling, and destroying whenever it pleases, whoever or whatever it pleases.
Boethiah, Khaine, Zaltec,
Tezca, Mephala, Lolth,
Slaanesh, Slan, AthartiAll these called evil, if one looks deeply into the little clues they provide in what is described about them, represent fighting back, beauty, and pleasure, all of which are disparaged and defamed and said by the very same people who harm everyone and everything, that “fighting back is evil” “that you should have beauty is too good for you, you can’t handle it, you will be punished” “you should not have pleasure, it will make you sick, you should slave away instead for our benefit, in misery”. This “thing” they are controlled by is seemingly literally threatened by what is good, such as their being brought to an end for the sake of justice, which clears the way and makes things more beautiful and refined, which leads to pleasure and comfort and good for all, all of which they twist and speak ill of, and so depict these things as negative and demonic, and them others insist on the sullied versions and seem attracted to what is wrong and a lie about the ideas rather than anything useful about them.
Boethiah is a very positive word, and Khaine is a positive story in the Qur’an, which they have rightly identified as secretly the antithesis to their genuinely evil scripture as much as they may seem to share stories. Khaine is also seemingly the ancestor of all human beings, but they invented another to suggest otherwise, and in doing so may have lost the mercy which is the point of the Qur’anic version of the story.
Regarding Khaine in Warhammer:
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Ravens are sacred to him.[5a][8a]
”Regarding the character thought to be Khaine in the Qur’an, the raven is sent by God as mercy to teach and assist Khaine, who is also forgiven.
They are currently mass murdering people using excuses connecting to their ancient lies and propaganda regarding Cain and “Amalek” (meaning “Blood Lickers” and possibly connected to owls, which is what the appearance of Greek helmets resembled, as the Athenians were also interested in Owls due to their association with Athena).
“Thank you so much for taking the time to look through what I wrote and collected and to process it correctly as you did and as I intended, that is the way I see it too and often have my posts “designed” so as to ne more than just a reply, but something interactive, maybe even like a game or something a person can get immersed in more and feel like they are more involved as they explore and think about what is mentioned. So that was really encouraging for me, since I often feel that what I do might only be appreciated by me, since I set up those links fory own play through also. Other times I have illustrative videos or something that may seem out if the blue but they are meant to be applied to the overall context, abd it is a way of posting that I haven’t seen too many people practice, but I have seen some things almost like it in certain blog posts that lay things out in a more interactive curated play room at a museum or something similar to that, or a haunted house or an “exit room”.
This website is still a little bit more difficult for me to use than the new, older school style forum that was just put up, where I’ve already made my first thread and posts.
You’re an amazing writer and thinker, as is atreestump, and Whisper brings up really thought provoking things but I’m especially impressed with the writing style and knowledge of atreestump and yourself, so I look forward to seeing a lot more of that extremely high quality writing that exceeds the quality of a lot that is being written professionally these days, where also very little thought seems to be given to whatever is being said.
I like to compare and contrast each of what we bring to the discussion and the differences and similarities, where I might chart how we would be placed if this were some kind of a show or a ritual going on and more about who we are and where we are at these days with our thoughts and conclusions based on things that have been added to whatever we may draw from and refer to, the ingredients, which include changes in the zeitgeist like the addition of this Savile stuff, among other similar stories like what the terms “Epstein” and “Weinstein” and maybe even “Cosby” might now conjure up, and each of those have nuances and differences that would also place them in different areas of a chart of the people considered predatory, two of which were popularly liked before, one if which was unknown mainly, the other being mostly ignored and a “factoid” “Oh, that was produced by Weinstein”. Two add to “J*deo” as the underlying structure, just as both those figures worked behind the scenes, and two add to “Christianity” as the mainstream extroverted faces of the modern broadcasting era, with a similar brand of possibly lightly gruff goofiness that the culture was being fed in the two leading countries of the West, the United Kingdom and the United States, at around the same time.
What really interests me is how these things work on the mind and what they come to represent and how they act as new “entities” once they separate from their mundane references and are really their own things, genii basically, like the modern version of tutelary spirits, which are also like how “saints” seemed to function for people at times, and it doesn’t seem to matter that even the ones supposedly dead are likely actually alive in my opinion, since they all have died in several ways and have been resurrected as cultural signifiers and symptoms for something the people have long been trying to say, as well as have been saying, that something is wrong here and something isn’t right, and the similarities and differences between those two statements which are not identical but both felt, and represented by these four horsemen of perversion, calling out to a drowsy puritanical, non-subjective morality inside a lot of people still, that is being gassed regularly, even by these stories that desensitize while also rousing back the human basics of old which had existed most places, most times.
Would you like to try the new forum as well? Now that I logged in there, it seems a little easier for me to use and navigate. You could continue to use this and that and each for a different style and purpose. I’ve made one thread and two posts there so far, so on the forum that got eaten up by A.I. I had a theme or style that had a little more to do with paranoid fiction possibly, then they created a second forum where I have been trying to move more towards emotion and sentimentality, on this forum I ended up trying out a little more cartoonish straight edge hyper-moral white knight Paladin stuff possibly, but I haven’t had enough time here yet to flesh out the nuanced difference of what I may be working towards developing here, and then on that forum I inaugurated it with some of the themes on my mind from fiction that have to do with action.
So recently its been Rationale/Logic and Opening Possibilities (Pre-DS like RF), Creativity/Mental Exploration (DS), Sentiment/Emotion (HOW), Ethics/Policy (IndieAgora 1), Motivation/Action (IndieAgora 2), and I’ve been on many websites before, each one with a different theme underlying everything.
I liked what you wrote from the Tantra book!
Sorry for the formatting there, I tried editing it but the edit time window elapsed as I was fixing it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sRfZkMgfk24?feature=shared%5Bbr%5D%5Bbr%5D”%5Bbr%5D@aFoxyFox.%5Bbr%5D0 seconds ago[br]Wanghammer: Whorus Hersay[br]”[br][br]https://nypost.com/2025/06/14/lifestyle/onlyfans-sophie-rain-reveals-her-2025-earnings-virginity/[br][br]A Christian and a Virgin.[br][br]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14182655/sophie-rain-christian-onlyfans-earnings-god.html[br][br]”[br]’The Lord’s very forgiving and he put me here. He put me on earth for a reason and I’m just living every day,’ she told the publication.[br]”[br][br]https://www.ladbible.com/lifestyle/sophie-rain-onlyfans-earnings-267384-20250612[br][br]”[br]Top OnlyFans star Sophie Rain shows off ‘proof of $76 million earnings’ without even speaking to her fans[br]”[br][br]”[br]Last year Rain claimed to have made a gross income of $43,000,000 (£33,800,000) between November 2023 and 2024, adding that one of her ‘top spenders’ of that year had given her as much as $4.7 million (£3.7 million) in exchange for exclusive photos and videos.[br]”[br][br]”[br]The model shared an updated screenshot of her earnings on Twitter earlier today (12 June), revealing that her subscribers have given her a massive $76 million in gross earnings based on subscription fees alone – meaning she technically didn’t even have to speak to them[br]”[br][br]”[br]To put her earnings into perspective, Rain’s earnings from the previous year had equalled the likes of actors such as Matt Damon and Ryan Gosling in 2024, with both men also earning $43 million.[br]”[br][br]”[br]Celebrities such as Iggy Azalea have been able to utilise their large platform in order to build a lucrative following on the site. According to Lelo, the rapper made an estimated total earnings of $48 million during her brief tenure on the platform.[br][br]The 35-year-old has since closed down her account, but not before she was crowned the website’s highest earner for 2024.[br][br]However its worth noting the above figures are the extremes, with MailOnline reporting the average creator makes just $1,300 (£956) a year.[br]”[br][br]That is terrible. 1300 a year only for most people totally losing all respect and showing their bodies to predatory perverts.
Teōcalli R’H’B: ḥwt-nṯr
Teōcalli:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teocalli
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A teocalli (Nahuatl: “God-house”) is a Mesoamerican pyramid surmounted by a temple.[1] The pyramid is terraced, and some of the most important religious rituals in Pre-Columbian Mexico took place in the temple at the top of the pyramid.[1]The teocalli of Cholula
The famous, although no longer extant, Aztec Huey Teocalli (“Great Temple,” Spanish, Templo Mayor) was located next to what is now Mexico City’s main square, the Zócalo. A famous 1848 painting by Emanuel Leutze depicts The Storming of Teocalli by Cortez and his Troops, which Leutze painted four years before his classic Washington Crossing the Delaware.
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R’H’B:
R’H’B is a reference to:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahab_(term)
https://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=rhb
Used of Egypt but in the languages of those further East and much more like their interest in stormy things.
ḥwt-nṯr:
Boob Alert
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%B8%A5wt-n%E1%B9%AFr
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From ḥwt (“enclosure”) + nṯr (“god”) in a direct genitive construction, thus literally ‘house of the god’. The written form demonstrates honorific transposition.
”This is an Ancient Egyptian term similar to Teōcalli. I refer to three cultures and use three languages that had people living in the areas that used these languages and who belonged to these cultures that seemed to build similar structures, like pyramidal structures as well as architectural designs that seemed somewhat similar between each other when compared, even though they are from far flung places with three different cultures, languages, and genetic differences, the Ancient Egyptian seemingly deriving from an Eastern African substratum representing “The South”, the other developing from around the Caucasus Mountains and representing “The West”, and the Mexican Culture which may link back to ideas already present in “The East” which is what Native American genetics seem to connect to and they are said to be distantly related most closely to Turkic and East Asian populations. All these populations are said to originate from Africa, and are thought to have traveled from Eastern Africa from the area of Yemen, up across the coasts, making it to the Indus and beyond.
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The Caucasus Mountains and Mesopotamia are geographically and historically linked. The Caucasus region, situated between the Black and Caspian Seas, served as a northern extension and a source of cultural and material influence for Mesopotamia, particularly during the Bronze Age. Mesopotamia, located in the fertile crescent between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, was a cradle of civilization and a major center of trade and cultural exchange.
”The Indo-European or “Asiatic” groups are somewhere in between “The West” which shares genetic material, linguistic, as well as cultural material, and the Turkic and East Asian types of people who connect all the way to the Americas and were somewhat ironically called “Indians” while very likely having a lot of the same influences impacting their cultures from different time periods and ended up with some similar developments also, as the human beings are all pretty similar in what they deal with and thus come up with also. The “Indic” contribution is often neglected and all these are frequently politicized at the expense of truth and even in defiance of logic.
The Western interpretation of all these, particularly as they feel increasingly unable to pretend to be a part of it themselves, depict these people and cultures in negative ways or “dead” and even as zombies and demons and ghosts and monsters of various sorts.
They also have a skewed understanding that wholly lacks any intuition or spiritual seriousness or true interaction with the reality of these cultures, in my opinion, by getting their information from the only sources that they can, such as things particularly related to royalty and royal death rituals, and do not use reason to make intelligent simulations of likely realities, where even intelligent conjecture might render better guesses than thinking a people where obsessed with death and royalty based on royal tomb rituals, which shows how utterly r*tarded I feel the academics have been and are until this day.
I believe through intelligence and sincerity, the things that occur to me are much more believable, and are verified or affirmed and vindicated by the scant clues in existence despite academias distracted focus and resistance to looking at other details instead of being hypnotized by what appears most prominently and repeatedly in formalized tomb art and rituals, which represents very little of the realities of the people or the beliefs known to most but not recorded because they were so widespread that they were practically taken for granted understandings.
Also, if one understands that the neurology and functioning of humans has really not changed at all in all this time, the modern people and their traits and tendencies, or at least recent people, can give clues potentially about more ancient populations. For example, taking a look at how insane modern rich people seem today and how different their thinking and beliefs seem to be from ordinary people across the world, it seems to me a bad idea to think that the beliefs of a small, secluded, royal class would represent mainstream thinking, just as it doesn’t today:
I made this group to try to practice and learn about the website and for this group to act as a section for anyone who may want to address me or my ideas about anything.
I thought that I may try to create topics here that have more to do with my own ideas and interests in case they are not of interest to others as much and to not spam the forum too much, once I figure out how to make topics in the general area and start practicing that.
My general areas of interest usually have to do with religious and spiritual themes as appearing in the past and in the present, like signs and symbols that even occur in ones mind or the things they surround themselves with or otherwise find themselves surrounded by, perhaps not even perceiving any of that as oddly spiritual or potentially indicative of anything or what they could investigate or invest into more and make more of and thus take more out of for themselves.
I refer to three languages from ancient cultures (Ancient Mexican, Ancient Middle Eastern, Ancient African) and the katabasis as a pun also about expression in general, and use a picture from a Korean Manhwa called Ennead which has their Orientalist Koreanified and Americanized, Modernized Mythological Egypt with cosplaying anthropomorphic “Gods” that look caucasian and vaguely like Korean pop star ideals, and all that is really even pretty precisely what the general stuff that I’m into is all about, and includes the East Asian and Indic cultures also through that, besides the European tropes post further “Westernizing” which seems to be “Literalizing” and “Making Material and Real” in a way that sometimes ends up “Lovecraftian” after self insertion and appropriation of things that the Western and “white” people want to “Be”, which others call “take” or “taking”.
So there is a whole theme to do with “r*pe” and domination, which ties in with the claims about the Mexican culture then and now, and the American culture and its claimed Holy Roman and Roman background and imitation, and the story of the Manhwa Ennead which focuses on the story of Horus and Set or Heru and Sutekh.
So, if I ever figure out how to write more comfortably on the website and in this group, that may be some of the stuff floating around as the subtext for anything I bring up. More vaguely and more encompassing is that I just like these sorts of ideas that verge on paranoid fiction and psycho-spiritual demonology and demonolatry.
I had a thread elsewhere, a place that had to be abandoned because A.I. took it over and threw everyone out and deleted the information on the website, where I wrote about Andrew Tate being a sign, and I was so impressed to see that same idea repeated here, plus all the great writing from Parrhesia and that they had noticed how I was trying to approach things differently in each thread to fill in areas that might not get covered otherwise or to represent perspectives that might not appear in certain places with certain types of minds at work in the usual ways we might see them.
I had likened Andrew Tate to an actual symbol also, which had been the main symbol of the thread and part of the theme, which was the spear with the triangle tip and the entire ontological cloud or network of connections that have to do with that symbol and all the things brought up by Andrew Tate, who himself is a living weapon due to his martial arts training. One of the main angles was fear in various forms and threats and reactions to those, where Andrew Tate was both someone looked to for speaking to the concerns of people while also being of concern to other people. Sort of more obviously than perhaps other people, he has become the most “object-like” or literally “idol-like” of human figures frequently brought up by the public and the media, probably specifically in the Western world.
He has a lot going on also, besides his appearance, heritage, statements in relation to those themes, and his association with crimes, sexuality, misogyny, and Islam.
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Jim’ll Fix It, in which he helped the wishes of viewers, mainly children, come true.
”Made me laugh, dangit. Firstly “Jim’ll” and then the rest, ugh.
I thought what you wrote is really fantastic and that you’ve still got it, your fantastic writing style which I’ve always thought is outstanding and if the highest quality, easily ready for professional publication and well worthy of public appreciation, which I’m always honored to have the opportunity to read.
The things these villains do or may have done is so horrendous that it becomes almost comedic out of context and without really being able to graphically grasp the trauma and horror involved, like if someone showed a picture of this clown with his ridiculous look and said he torn the head off of some child that we can only generate in our imagination, it just seems so much like the kinds of things we’ve been desensitized to in campy comedies, but of course he wasn’t accused of doing anything that surreal, just pulling out his genitals and shoving them in the face of young people who idolized him while his parents probably watched and photographed it, maybe filmed it too if they were rich enough.
Saville operated at the height of the Brit Itch, when they finally shrugged off the bowlcut and heavy curtain-like garbs of Christian stuffiness to don the bowlcut and silky curtain-like costumery of the Aryan Spring, a s*xual revolution mixed with exoticism, drugs, a secretly fascistic new science of Ancient Love Spirituality that still exists with some oldish farts claiming to be Egyptian Gods or otherwise in contact with them.
Somewhere in between all that fantasy, nerdiness, and horniness, lots of children are found crushed in the heart-shaped tractor marks of embracing the science of unrestrained logical, mainly male, desire and conquest (yet again).
HEIL HEARTLOVE.
Fascism, and the things typically paired or co-morbid with it in various forms or things accused of representing it, is often placed on the opposite end of things like hippies and new age cults and radical s*xual theories and all that stuff, but actually, all these ideas were popping up and largely popular around the same time by similar people sometimes falling into those ideologies. They share things between them like:
Trying to find ancient validation.
Trying to find scientific justification.
Being Modern and Modernist and talking about a New Way and New Knowledge and Methods.
Trying to find spiritual, supernatural, or preternatural confirmation.
The idea of unburdening oneself from the old traditions, for either supposedly older traditions or completely new ones to be treated with the utmost sacred seriousness.
That a group comes together that happens to work together to exploit a typically vulnerable group and to abuse newfound power.The following may seem all over the place, but is meant to be a meditation bringing up all sorts of themes that I’m suggesting are linked, also to provide context with reference to where the events were positioned in history and located on the Earth as well, between WW2 and whenever he chilled out, of he ever did.
A cult of personality and cult-like behaviour, where the word cult also has to do with working for and in the service of a God, like a field or a garden that has to go through being cared for and upkeep:
https://www.etymonline.com/word/cult
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cult(n.)
1610s, “worship, homage” (a sense now obsolete); 1670s, “a particular form or system of worship;” from French culte (17c.), from Latin cultus “care, labor; cultivation, culture; worship, reverence,” originally “tended, cultivated,” past participle of colere “to till” (see colony).colony(n.)
late 14c., “ancient Roman settlement outside Italy,” from Latin colonia “settled land, farm, landed estate,” from colonus “husbandman, tenant farmer, settler in new land,” from colere “to cultivate, to till; to inhabit; to frequent, practice, respect; tend, guard,” from PIE root *kwel- (1) “revolve, move round; sojourn, dwell” (source also of Latin -cola “inhabitant”). Also used by the Romans to translate Greek apoikia “people from home.”
”https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_(religious_practice)
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Cult is the care (Latin: cultus) owed to deities and their temples, shrines, or churches; cult is embodied in ritual and ceremony. Its presence or former presence is made concrete in temples, shrines and churches, and cult images, including votive offerings at votive sites.Cicero defined religio as cultus deorum, “the cultivation of the gods”.[1] The “cultivation” necessary to maintain a specific deity was that god’s cultus, “cult”, and required “the knowledge of giving the gods their due” (scientia colendorum deorum).[2] The noun cultus originates from the past participle of the verb colo, colere, colui, cultus, “to tend, take care of, cultivate”, originally meaning “to dwell in, inhabit” and thus “to tend, cultivate land (ager); to practice agriculture”, an activity fundamental to Roman identity even when Rome as a political center had become fully urbanized.
Cultus is often translated as “cult” without the negative connotations the word may have in English, or with the Old English word “worship”, but it implies the necessity of active maintenance beyond passive adoration. Cultus was expected to matter to the gods as a demonstration of respect, honor, and reverence; it was an aspect of the contractual nature of Roman religion (see do ut des).[3] Augustine of Hippo echoes Cicero’s formulation when he declares, “religion is nothing other than the cultus of God.”[4]
The term “cult” first appeared in English in 1617, derived from the French culte, meaning “worship” which in turn originated from the Latin word cultus meaning “care, cultivation, worship”. The meaning “devotion to a person or thing” is from 1829. Starting about 1920, “cult” acquired an additional six or more positive and negative definitions. In French, for example, sections in newspapers giving the schedule of worship for Catholic services are headed Culte Catholique, while the section giving the schedule of Protestant services is headed culte réformé.
In the specific context of the Greek hero cult, Carla Antonaccio wrote:
The term cult identifies a pattern of ritual behavior in connection with specific objects, within a framework of spatial and temporal coordinates. Rituals would include (but not necessarily be limited to) prayer, sacrifice, votive offerings, competitions, processions and construction of monuments. Some degree of recurrence in place and repetition over time of ritual action is necessary for a cult to be enacted, to be practiced.[5]
In the Catholic Church, outward religious practice in cultus is the technical term for Roman Catholic devotions or veneration extended to a particular saint, not to the worship of God. Catholicism and the Eastern Orthodox Church make a major distinction between latria, the worship that is offered to God alone, and dulia, which is veneration offered to the saints, including the veneration of Mary, whose veneration is often referred to as hyperdulia.
”https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_fanaticism
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Religious fanaticism or religious extremism is a pejorative designation used to indicate uncritical zeal or obsessive enthusiasm that is related to one’s own, or one’s group’s, devotion to a religion – a form of human fanaticism that could otherwise be expressed in one’s other involvements and participation, including employment, role, and partisan affinities. In psychiatry, the term hyperreligiosity is used. Historically, the term was applied in Christian antiquity to denigrate non-Christian religions, and subsequently acquired its current usage with the Age of Enlightenment.[1]
”https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanaticism
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The behavior of a fan with overwhelming enthusiasm for a given subject is differentiated from the behavior of a fanatic by the fanatic’s violation of prevailing social norms. Though the fan’s behavior may be judged as odd or eccentric, it does not violate such norms.[5] A fanatic differs from a crank, in that a crank is defined as a person who holds a position or opinion which is so far from the norm as to appear ludicrous and/or probably wrong, such as a belief in a Flat Earth. In contrast, the subject of the fanatic’s obsession may be “normal”, such as an interest in religion or politics, except that the scale of the person’s involvement, devotion, or obsession with the activity or cause is abnormal or disproportionate to the average.[ambiguous]
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Consumer fanaticism – the level of involvement or interest one has in the liking of a particular person, group, trend, artwork or idea
Emotional fanaticism
Ethnic or racial supremacist fanaticism
Leisure fanaticism – high levels of intensity, enthusiasm, commitment and zeal shown for a particular leisure activity
Nationalistic or patriotic fanaticism
Political, ideological fanaticism.
Religious fanaticism – considered by some to be the most extreme form of religious fundamentalism. Entail promoting religious point of views
Sports fanaticism – high levels of intensity surrounding sporting events. This is either done based on the belief that extreme fanaticism can alter games for one’s favorite team (Ex: Knight Krew),[6] or because the person uses sports activities as an ultra-masculine “proving ground” for brawls, as in the case of football hooliganism.
”https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifanaticism
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The term Antifanaticism in the book’s title is a neologism coined by Butt, prefixing the term Fanaticism with anti- (from the Greek αντί, meaning “against”) to mean “against Fanaticism” (i.e. Abolitionism).The story takes place somewhere in Virginia, and depicts a group of white plantation owners who put charity towards their black slaves before the harvesting and selling of the cotton on their own plantations, as well as successfully [b]converting several troublesome abolitionists into friendly socialites through a process referred to throughout the novel as “Southern hospitality”.[/b]
”https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_(person)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_worship_syndrome
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enthusiasm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixation_(psychology)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purity_spiral
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A purity spiral is a theory which argues for the existence of a form of groupthink in which it becomes more beneficial to hold certain views than to not hold them, and more extreme views are rewarded while expressing doubt, nuance, or moderation is punished (a process sometimes called “moral outbidding”).[1] It is argued that this feedback loop leads to members competing to demonstrate the zealotry or purity of their views.[2][3]A purity spiral is argued to occur when a community’s primary focus becomes implementing a single value that has no upper limit, and where that value does not have an agreed interpretation.[4]
One aspect that stands out in all purity spirals is the vanity of small differences, and the punishing of people for the most minor transgressions.
Gavin Haynes, Spiked, 10 February 2020[1]
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The term purity spiral was coined in one of the first systematic sociological accounts of victimhood culture, The Rise of Victimhood Culture: Microaggressions, Safe Spaces, and the New Culture Wars, where it is described as a form of infighting among both activists and members of victim groups.[5]In a 2020 BBC documentary about purity spirals, British journalist Gavin Haynes said that purity spirals punish people for “the most minor transgressions,” and noted that they make it socially unacceptable to express a preference contrary to the group’s.[1][4] Turkish-American academic Timur Kuran described this phenomenon in his 1995 book Private Truth, Public Lies, calling it preference falsification, and further noted the lack of incentives and systems to disrupt purity spirals, pointing out that even a small amount of opposition or doubt can lead to a greater wave of questioning within the group. French philosopher René Girard also described many of the principles of the purity spiral, including mimetic rivalry and the scapegoat mechanism, in his 1972 book Violence and the Sacred.[1]
”https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_the_Sacred
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Some examples of settings, groups, and eras where purity spirals have occurred:[1][2]The Khmer Rouge
The Cultural Revolution, Mao’s Red Guard and mass denunciations
The French revolution
[b]Instagram knitting circles[4][/b]
Stalin’s Show Trials[6] – demonstration of increasingly extreme loyalty tests are required to maintain normalcy.
Madkhalism
McCarthyism
”https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000d70h
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_of_silence
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Girard
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_loyalty
https://tribunemag.co.uk/2021/10/jimmy-savile-government-monarchy-police-thatcher
Sa Vile, weird.
How did he get away with so much for so long? The press and Jimmy Savile
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A Chat about Jimmy SavileConsider two conversations about Jimmy Savile on the streets of Leeds.
Less Fruitful Conversation
“My name is Don. I believe that my good deeds will allow me to go to heaven after I die.”
“You cannot earn your salvation. Just believe in Jesus.”
“I am not convinced by your response.”
More Fruitful Conversation
“My name is Don. I believe that my good deeds will allow me to go to heaven after I die.”
“Have you heard about the dark side of Jimmy Savile?”
“Of course I have. Jimmy was incredibly famous as an eccentric celebrity who raised £40 million for charity. He lived in Leeds. After his death in 2011 there was overwhelming evidence that Jimmy had raped and abused many vulnerable boys and girls.”
“Fantastic, Don, I’m glad we are on the same page.”
“But what has this got to do with my question, Rocky?”
“Well it’s vital that we understand Jimmy’s worldview. How did he understand the world?”
“That’s a fascinating question, Rocky. To be honest I don’t know.”
“Savile combined a materialist mindset with a perverted understanding of the Christian faith.”
“Rocky, you are a nice bloke but you are losing me here. Explain what you are saying in simple and accessible terms. I’m not thick but I need some help here.”
“Fair cop, boss. I apologise for my ridiculous opacity. I’ve just done it again. By opacity I mean being obscure.”
“Please enlighten me about Savile’s worldview. Keep it simple.”
“Jimmy believed that humans are just machines who have no control over their s*xual cravings. Some men r*pe children because they are moist, chemical robots who have no free will. The craving comes and the r*pe and abuse of the child is inevitable.”
“Wow that is incredibly dark.”
“Savile was also a Catholic and he believed in God. Boffins call this syncretism. You mix materialist beliefs with Christian beliefs. Jimmy believed that God works a debit side and a credit side. He said in an interview that St Peter wouldn’t dare bar him from heaven. ‘What do you mean he’s led an immoral life?’ God would say to St Peter. ‘Have you any idea how much money he’s raised for charity? Or how many hours he’s put in as a porter at that hospital? Get them doors opened now and be quick.”
“That’s a fascinating story, Rocky.”
“In another interview Savile told a priest that his charity work would cancel out his bad deeds and he would be saved. Don, do you know what the Bible says about this?”
“No I haven’t got a clue.”
“The New Testament teaches that it is foolish to trust in our good deeds. They cannot save you. Jesus died for our sins and came back from the dead. It is by trusting in Him that we are forgiven and put right with God. Savile had no knowledge of this good news.”
“Thanks Rocky for this conversation. I am still unsure of what I believe but I will read the New Testament and find out what it says.”
”https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/26/inside-the-mind-of-jimmy-savile
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Many of the assaults were without warning. He would suddenly place his hand somewhere he should not, plant his mouth on unsuspecting lips. Frequently this was done in public places. The root of such intrusion is projection.
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It is a mechanism we all may use when we have an uncomfortable feeling to get rid of. We sometimes employ each other as emotional dustbins: you are feeling depressed or angry and without thinking about it, you do something to make someone else feel those things. To understand what Savile was feeling when he groped in public, hear how his victims felt – humiliated, powerless, frightened, finally angry. Those will have been the emotions he lived with and, more or less, urgently needed to extrude.In many cases s*xual arousal seems to have been almost incidental, with no attempt to achieve orgasm. There does not seem to have been a single instance of Savile displaying true affection, or a wish to give pleasure: in his life he had no sustained, loving relationships.
On the occasions when he achieved orgasm through penetration, or by compelling his victims to fellate him, they report him as having immediately lost interest once he had ejaculated. They might as well have been inanimate objects. This would be consistent with Savile having had a high degree of dissociation – feeling at one remove from events, a detachment. In accord with that, he must have had several different selves, enabling him to flit between roles, from charity worker to famous DJ to abuser, and quickly back to non-abuser.
He had what is known as the dark triad of personality characteristics: psychopathy, Machiavellianism and narcissism. These are common in famous or powerful people, and part of that mix is a strong likelihood of s*xual promiscuity. Such people often are able to slide effortlessly between personas. They are usually impulsive stimulus seekers, easily attracted to substance abuse, risky s*x and gambling. Savile must have had a fantastical inner life – grandiose, wild and desperate. While his main predilection was for girls and young women, he sometimes ranged from five to 75-year-olds of both s*xes and, it seems, may have engaged in necrophilia.
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He created safe environments in which he could act at will. His experiments beyond young females may have been because the buzz from them had worn off through repetition and he sought more extreme kicks. Given that inflicting distress was his primary goal, the gender and age of a victim might not matter.We do not know whether Savile was abused as a child. The only clear fact is that he had a very intense enmeshment with his mother, seeing all other women as mere vehicles for his distress, marriage unthinkable. We also know he had a semi-psychotic relationship with his mother after she died, perhaps believing that he could communicate with her.
Most probably the dissociated position from which he abused – a coldheartlessness – resulted from a lack of responsiveness from his mother in the early years. Studies suggest that early care which is not responsive to the child’s needs, or overcontrolling, significantly increases the risk. Dissociation can also be caused by emotional abuse (being demeaned and harshly criticised), as well as the physical or s*xual varieties.
Man hands on misery to man. Since abuse, rather than genes, is now clearly emerging as the principal cause of both personality disorders and psychoses (like schizophrenia), it is all too possible that Savile drove some of his victims as crazy as him. It is horrible to contemplate the possibility that he may have spawned other abusers by his crimes.
The only way to have avoided a person of Savile’s psychology would have been a society that puts the needs of every small child first. In that case, his relationship with his mother would be noticed and appropriate help provided.
”http://www.gutenberg-e.org/hodgdon/10_INTRO_ed2.html
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Steve Levine’s account of the event for the Oracle offers us a glimpse of gender distinctions among the hippie pilgrims. He recorded the presence of “bare foot girls in priest’s cloaks, madras saris, and corduroy,” whose ethereal femininity contrasted sharply with the dynamic, manly demeanor of the shirtless “braves” at their side. One of the latter neutralized the fulminations of a fundamentalist preacher by means of a “baptis[m] in bubbles”—a renunciation of forceful confrontation, consonant with what Levine held to be the most admirable characteristics of the Noble Savage who had once roamed freely on the North American continent. Levine declared that the Be-In’s spirit of transcendent love and harmony promised national redemption, as the great-grandsons of the white men who had slaughtered the buffalo of the Plains now seemed to be retracing their steps, this time admiring the Indian way of life rather than undermining it.45It is partly because of writing such as Levine’s that we now tend to remember hippies as long-haired, flower-bedecked pacifists who sought spiritual ecstasy—or just plain fun—through drug experiences and the formation of communities in which human relationships mattered more than material possessions. Moreover, we may recall hippies as seekers of the forgotten knowledge of preindustrial peoples who had lived in harmony with Nature.5 In this perspective, hippies were—and, for many today, still are—the “gentle people with flowers in their hair” lauded in a song that became popular not long after the Be-In took place.6 Yet the stereotype of the Flower Child embodied only one dimension of the mass-mediated image of the hippie. Belief that the counterculture was populated by thousands of menacing drug fiends struck terror into the hearts of many parents as their children traversed the new hip bohemia. Less dramatically, the scruffy, hedonistic, and purportedly shiftless longhair also became a stock figure in American media, and still persists alongside the Flower Child and the Drug Fiend in American popular memory.
6I hope to problematize these popular images of the counterculture in order to tell a much more nuanced story about hippies, the 1960s, and American manhood in the late twentieth century. If, as Nancy Cott suggests, historians “influence the future by naming the past,” then I hope that a more complex account will ground our choices about the American future in a critical awareness of the assumptions we make about the 1960s counterculture.7 A first step toward such an account is to examine, briefly, some of the ongoing conflicts among hip men present at the Be-In, which Levine either did not notice or chose to elide. This brief sketch will serve to frame the subject of this book’s investigation.
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In Gaskin’s story, one psychedelic “brave” waved incense with sinister intent and the white knight, Gaskin, interceded, whereas Levine’s bare-chested warrior might have seen fit simply to blow bubbles. By intervening, Gaskin rejected the presumption implicit in Levine’s account, that the individual’s public manifestation of faith in the ultimately benign character of the universe was sufficient, of itself, to bring about change in a violent, industrialized, and secular world. Instead, a deep conviction—that faith could only become manifest in good works—motivated his chivalrous rescue. As we will see in part 2 of this book, in an effort to return the human race to the path of spiritual evolution, Gaskin prescribed sweeping changes in men’s character and behavior. The chivalrous, “tantric” manhood ideal that he and his followers developed—first in the Haight-Ashbury, and then at The Farm, a commune in Tennessee—was far too richly idiosyncratic to be fully encapsulated in the mass-mediated image of the Flower Child. But some of the features preserved in that image—the pacifistic renunciation of redemptive violence as a manly birthright, and the reverence for Nature as an abundant, fertile provider—characterized Gaskin and his followers far better than they did certain other hippies present at the Be-In.1110″Flower power” did not even begin to capture the outlook of the group known as the Diggers, for example. They offered a highly principled resistance to what they regarded as the illegitimate authority of all hierarchical institutions grounded in the ownership of private property. Anarchists in all but name, they set up tables on the polo field to distribute thousands of sandwiches they had made from turkeys donated by the acid chemist, Owsley Stanley. The Diggers had seemingly burst upon the scene in the Haight-Ashbury the previous September, distributing provocative handbills, staging colorful street theater, and giving away food in Golden Gate Park in the afternoons. Their free food was not an act of charity to the destitute, but a declaration that, if private property cohered in the illegitimate hoarding of resources, then the food that they scrounged (and, sometimes, stole) already belonged to whomever would join them in partaking of it. “It’s free,” one of their handbills declared, “because it’s yours.”12
11Like many hippies in the Haight-Ashbury,13 the Diggers were artists: most of their number had left the San Francisco Mime Troupe after a dispute with its founder and director, R. G. Davis, over how best to transform theater into a vehicle for political subversion.
”https://www.mmowen.me/the-terrible-optimism-of-the-hippies
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/12/sexism-seventies-helen-mirren-michael-parkinson
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In this sense, the “macho culture” Smith identifies takes on an institutional character – institutional s*xism – which the BBC clearly can and must tackle. Yet it is not the only institution where macho culture and s*xism prevent us from seeing the reality of men’s abusive behaviours. The same problem is alive and well in the way the press has covered the story.Savile’s abuse of women and girls at least was an open secret, existing, as the title of Dan Davies’ biography suggests, in plain sight. The problem wasn’t that people didn’t know. It was that – among other factors – the macho culture prevented them, prevented us, from recognising it as abuse.
Davies’ biography demonstrates how Savile was adept at implicating others. He notes, for instance, that Savile explicitly referred to s*xual contact with teenage girls in his 1970s autobiography, and that he’d openly “joke” that his motto was “don’t get caught”. In the now infamous 1974 Clunk Click programme, where Savile hosted Gary Glitter, he joked about “giving” Glitter two girls before both men drape themselves over the young women on set. The TV audience at home saw this too, but most of us didn’t see it as abuse either. Celebrity men helped themselves to women, and too many of us went along with it.
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Even when the story became one of abuse, the persistence of the label “underage” is also disturbing. Think about the phrase “abuse of underage girls”. Isn’t there an implication here that there is an age at which one can consent to the kind of abuse Savile was accused of: groping, attempted r*pe, r*pe? That’s also why the persistent labelling of Savile as a paedophile is unhelpful. Yes, he abused children. But he also abused adults. Smith’s report isn’t a report exclusively about child s*xual abuse: indeed, a majority of Savile’s BBC victims were legally adults. However, that they were over the age of consent is immaterial: they did not consent.Fast forward four years to the day the report was released. The Mail Online, anticipating the report, ran with a headline: “Damning Jimmy Savile BBC S*x Report to be Released Today.” But Savile wasn’t damned for having s*x at the BBC. He – and Stuart Hall – were damned for s*xually abusing women, girls, (and in Savile’s case) men and boys at the BBC.
Surely one of the most potent legacies of the Savile case has to be that this conflation of s*x and abuse in the media’s treatment of allegations against powerful men has no place in a civilised society.
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According to him, the proximity of our birthdays was significant: he was “full warlock”, having been a Halloween baby, whereas I was only half.
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There was a suggestion of menace in his manner. For someone that every kid from that era felt as if they knew, Savile came across to me as remote, cold and unapproachable. These feelings were reawakened as a teenager when I read his autobiography. I was struck by his evangelical zeal, his fascination with death, his all-consuming obsession with money and the frequent references to his encounters with teenage girls, inevitably followed by cheerful accounts of how he had made narrow escapes from suspicious parents.
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What I reported led to further, increasingly bizarre magazine profiles. He regaled me with details of the more unlikely aspects of his career: his papal knighthood, his status as a “Special Friend of *sr*el”, his highly influential role at Broadmoor hospital, the power he exerted within the BBC and his very personal relationships with Prince Charles, Diana, Princess of Wales and Margaret Thatcher.
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The interviews began to last for days, not hours. He invited me to stay with him and, on one occasion, I was afforded the “honour” of sleeping in the bedroom he kept as a shrine to his mother, Agnes, who he referred to as “the Duchess”. The room, with its tiny single bed and cupboard filled with her clothes, draped in polythene covers, was a capsule representing what ultimately mattered to Savile.Agnes Savile exerted an extraordinary hold over her seventh and youngest child. In his answer to my very first question, he described himself as “a not-again child”, because he was unplanned and, very possibly, unloved. His mother’s approval was of enormous significance to Savile, in life and, I believe, well beyond her death in 1972.
As the years went by, it began to feel as if I was serving a purpose for him. Through these long-form articles, I was blowing on the flickering embers of his celebrity, providing the oxygen of publicity at a time when he was fast becoming an increasingly sinister relic.
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“I have a phrase when someone puts a story in a tabloid about underage s*x,” he once told me. “I say: ‘It would be a lot worse if it was true.’ They say: ‘Are you saying it’s not true?’ I say: ‘I’m not saying nothing, but it would be a lot worse if it was true.’ Of course it’s not bastard true.”
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A photograph had emerged of him at the home, surrounded by kids. Throughout the call, which, it was made clear, was with his lawyers, he never once stopped looking at me.After he put the phone down, he showed me the letter his legal team had prepared for the publication in question, and reiterated how much money he had made from suing newspapers. I put it to him that he had spent the best part of 50 years in the media spotlight and never been the subject of so much as a kiss’n’tell. Why, given this spotless record, were the tabloids so intent on hunting him?
“How the hell should I know?” he grunted. “The only thing you can expect from pigs is shit.”
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He was adamant that the glam rock star, real name Paul Gadd, had done nothing wrong beyond having “a few dirty pictures” on his personal computer. Savile proceeded to lay the blame for Glitter’s demise squarely with the press.
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Savile’s passing provoked such a storm of conflicting emotions that I cried tears of frustration, anger and, I’ll admit it, sorrow.Spending so much time in Savile’s company was like being in a hall of mirrors. I was never quite sure of where I stood or what I believed. The rumours were so persistent, and he was so brazen about the “fun” he’d had with youngsters during his years as a pied piper for the nascent pop generation, a fixer of dreams and a latter-day saint, and yet he had never been exposed.
I was sure that his evasiveness, his refusal to be known, was connected to the darkness that seemed to emanate from him. But while it proved impossible to access its source, and none of his victims had been heard, I was left only with conjecture.
He often boasted to me of his hard-man antics as a dancehall manager in Manchester and Leeds during the 1950s and early 60s, talking with relish about the violence his bouncers inflicted on troublemakers, and the fact that local police officers were firmly in his pocket.
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Oddness was a badge that he wore with pride. He was also capable of kindness, although his motives for such acts are now hard to fathom. He could be charming one minute and as blunt as an anvil the next. His idea of humour remained firmly at odds with the 21st century, and he never, ever laughed at himself. At times it was as difficult to smile weakly at his punchlines as it was to breathe under the low-hanging cloud of cigar smoke that enveloped him.
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Our interviews were wide-ranging, but there were certain avenues of conversation that he always shut off. One was his father, Vincent. Another was his siblings. I later discovered that Johnny, one of two older brothers, was sacked from Springfield psychiatric hospital in London on grounds of gross misconduct. He’d s*xually assaulted a female patient.
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There is not a day that passes where I don’t wonder why I chose Savile. Of all the people to become obsessed with, to follow and agonise over, why did it have to be him? It is a question that provides no answer. The only consolation I can find is that my instincts were right.The boxes containing the many tapes, interview transcripts, newspaper cuttings and research articles that went into my book are taped shut and piled high in a shed. I don’t want them in the house in which my three children live.
”Because the tapes might r*pe his children.
https://www.thejc.com/news/jimmy-savile-came-to-my-batmitzvah-kbkjra6w
https://forward.com/culture/215888/secret-jewish-history-of-temple-beth-shalom/
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It is a popular tradition for the b’nai mitzvah classes at TBS to sing “Adon Olam” to the tune of “The Hey Song,” properly known as “Rock and Roll (Part Two),” by Gary Glitter. Glitter, a convicted sex offender, has spoken about the great musical influence upon him of the Beatles, whose manager, Brian Epstein, was Jewish.
”So it was Musk at the top of Jack’s beanstalk!
Were there other ways to go about this without the political aspects people ended up claiming? Like was that part of it somehow and there was no other way?
https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/musks-xai-buys-social-media-platform-x-45-billion-2025-03-28/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/x-now-valued-44-billion-170514898.html
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https://www.silicon.co.uk/cloud/ai/x-xai-sale-606273
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Elon Musk’s xAI Buys Social Media Platform X
”https://www.cnbctv18.com/technology/elon-musk-x-raises-usd-1-billion-new-equity-funding-19576247.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DySH0ceMjQuc?feature=shared
https://x.com/yanisvaroufakis/status/1878353102866165766%3Flang%3Den
https://www.ft.com/content/74194702-29f0-407b-89a1-c5a4058d934e
Investor group led by Elon Musk offers nearly $100 billion for OpenAI
https://www.wired.com/story/musk-trump-feud-venture-capitalists-pick-sides/
https://www.moneyweb.co.za/news-fast-news/microsoft-is-bringing-elon-musks-ai-models-to-its-cloud/
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