[kFoyauextlH]

Thank you very much. This was just a call since you all may have access to resources locally or more near to you than I do, resources such as experts at universities, museums, galleries, and libraries, access to libraries, emails, antiquities departments, historians, near eastern studies experts.

You have access to send out proper emails or letters to nearby people and even better access to computers and other things.

I have researched these things myself exhaustively as well, and some of what I mentioned are online but not listed out or able for me to list out in a comparitive list due to my phone and its copy pasting troubles.

It is pretty frustrating and irritating that so many documents mention the 234 identified Ugaritic deities but never provide a list of their names, and so I thought surely some expert at oneof the Universities there or some one you all may have access to would be able to gather all this actually extremely important information and post it all here neatly in combination lists that are text since my phone is still completely full.

Anyway though, I can tell you what this is all about because it is not random but everything I requested is connected and going to be jumbled up.

I could throw in another few requests as well which can go even more broad, a list of all the typical elements of nature from the view of the Ancients.

For example, Sky was something each person saw, so around the world there is the name for Sky like Varuna, Uranus, Anu, and whatever else each etymologically meaning Sky or referring to the Sky. There was the sun and the moon and the brightest small light in the sky, the morning star as well as the evening star which are both Venus but each of those should be listed seperately so far as the Ancient people may have.

​​All such lists of elements and themes in reality had a topper too, Chaos, El, Takami Musubi No Kami, or whatever else was considered the first from which others emanated or originated or which was before everything. After each name should be an etymology of the name.

It comes all the way down to major animals like The Eagle, The Bear, The Fox, The Snake, The Dog, The Wolf, The Boar.

Even prior to these are certain themes that are internationally shared like Love, Justice, Contract, Promise, Revenge, Murder, Strife, and before these are elements like Darkness, Light, Wind, Word, and whatever else.

Now the reason for all this is that the Ancient world and Ancient thinking seemed to across the board have more similarities than differences.

​​I will tell you two stories.

The first story is that of God and numbers.

God or the Power is whatever is first and always and Most. Many came to represent it by a big circle, the All Encompassing which itself is a big 0.

This 0 appears like Nothing, a void, the first meaning of Chaos, but is Action or Power which can not be known or understood except through appearance and change.

0 leads to 1. 1 encompasses a few concepts but represents knowledge of being, like the letter I even as compared to negative presence or the place, now there is the object, a representation of power also in upright appearance or even the phallus of creative production and sovereignity.

​​​​​Then from 1 it splits to 2, which also represents creation, and in consciousness, response after question. Each of the numbers, reflects the number before it or echoes it in a new way.

For example 0 is first presence, 1 is the presence or awareness, 2 the reply and there are two symbols before it. The symbol of 2 also looks like a sickle, which represents dividing and was a major theme in the Ancient World, the splitting of One Mass of Heavens and Earth into two and spreading them apart.

This also connects to many Ancient Occult mathematical things like the point, the line, the two lines, the triangle as enclosure.

​​​​The next number is 3, echoing two, it is the first enclosure or boundary or person or thing, a distinguished object, representing a first completion or finality. It is a number of order and containment and limited stages in so many senses.

The next number is 4 which is the first multiple of 2. 2 can also resemble a man bending away fromtheir shadow or diving into their shadow, a diving into representing multiplication, a diving away representing division, a looking at the points or ends representing addition and the total of actual points including the middle foretelling the next number. Subtraction being the first shadow, addition being acknowledgment of presence.

The 4 represents death. You can see the remnant triangle from the 3 but a downward extension as life goes on on the horizontal bar. This is only representing the shadow, origin, and end of the object, it is the number of a complete cycle, and its multiples will also represent complete cycles, for example 8.

5 has typically represented man, mind, memory, but also represents submission or slavery or destiny and magical influence or yoking, even the symbol can resemble a heavenly layer imposing upon an incomplete cycle. 5 fingers, 5 times or periods of the day, and prostration called the 5 points sometimes as well, and 5 senses, and man having a head, two arms, two legs. 2 is the first number associated with Mind or Memory, as well as the Moon, 5 is associated with Venus due also to its transit pattern around Earth which is represented by 1 and is the first number also representing Man or person, the first odd number, 0 counts as neither even or odd really.

One finds all these strange seeming notions repeated throughout the world by a variety of cultures that somehow were inspired in the same sort of thinking even from disparate parts of the world.

After 5 comes 6 the number of Division in several senses as 3 and 3 or two objects, it is an upside down 9, 9 being the number of first unity or another limited completion.

7 represents Heavenly Imposition again, the rules, but also the way to ascent in some senses or in its reverse. So remembering division and multiplication it can give clues as to the next numbers. The image of Going Into, like the bottom point climbing up to the Heavenly Bar leads to 14 and there are 7 steps to that commonly spoken of, and 7 Heavenly bodies of imposition to also master or learn from in the ancient traditions. 5 and 2 extra. The two extra theme will repeat as well.

8 is the Infinity, and winds back down showing two cycles one atop another like two cogs, as in Heaven as in Earth.

9 represents the ascended, entering the higher cycle or the higher cycle bringing down information so it has been associated with revelation and inspiration very commonly. It also is a number which represents multiplicity of the same and repeated appearances, divination through all limited forms or 3s but only the first layer of this in a grid. This 9 square grid will play a big role in things, and its higher or multiplied form is in 3 times 9 or 999 as 27, the Cube or Perfect Cube, an encompassing form or message from a number of angles or 3 dimensional understanding.

Finally, there is 10, representing the new 0 but this time accompanied as an acknowledgment since it is a recognition that represents God or a complete set of 123456789 plus 0 making 10 and a full circle with one below it as 0 and above it as 10, the acknowledged God.

It continues from there though, generally up to a great many numbers which each echo or reflect versions of their ancestor numbers or originals. For example the 10 being the base number for the Godly layer, the 11 then repeats what the 1 was, but this time has been associated with Heavenly beings or messengers, Angels. The 1 which represents the 1 or stands in its place, 11.

The 12 is associated with time, which divides the 1 into 2 in another way than the prior 2 but can be themeatically related.

Now the view was generally that from the origin, there are these ever expanding manifestations, each growing more obscure while less abstract and more material as well.

So the 360 was a multiple of 72s, 9s, 3s, and 1s.

The 72 has 5 faces, meaning that 72 times 5 is 360.

Also, numbers based on the meanings given to them become like a code or language. Anything with a 0 has some relation to God, anything with a 1 also but with a focus of force rather than just base or being, on mentation or intent or activity. 3 is the Object made of Being, Question and Response, 0 combined with 1 and 2 making 3 parts and a whole object which is limited or distinguished by apparent borders.

6 is the number of division. The codes run in multiple ways. 360 has to do with limited divisions or dividing of the whole or base circle or God. 5 faces then throws back to 5 as the number of personhood.

In any case though the ancient people, like those of the Semitic oe Akkadian or Arabic language families as well as the Egyptians and others, had made a 360 point division, with 5 72 parts.

They had also divided 360 into 3 5 7 and 9 parts variously.

The 7 were chief aspects or emanations, which then had their 7 opposites also using 2 as a divider.

These 7 then extended over 10 more each, and those then continued to brach out.

The whole world of known nations were thought to fall under the various dominant influences of one or the other. They also divided into 4 for directions and 8 for extra directions and 10 for even more directions or a sphere, and then even more by taking 8 laying flat and 8 intersecting it to make 8 by 8 or 4444.

The Nations were joined to Supreme Emanations who were joined to Stars though everyone largely was interested in the same highly visible celestial bodies, the nations were given animals too, then each individual had their name which was their destiny or irony, they had their dominant force which ruled over their personality and decision, their star, their God leading back to one overall God.

Set was associated with the God and religion of the Near Eastern people, who believed God had 72 emanations or Natural forces which acted as splintered forces or extensions. These 72 are also associated with powerful or malovent stars, and appear later as the 72 names of God, 72 angels, and 72 demons, who had 72 stars and constellations and animal associations stemming from a main 7 and 2 extra for 9.

So the three divisions were Heaven, Sea, Earth or Heaven, Sea, Earth, and Under Earth and elements of Air, Water, Earth, plus Fire, but also Darkness and Light, or other extras.

They had categories like bird, man, crawling, and four legged and hoofed and whatever and then outstanding examples divided from each, like the Raven was extremely popular around the world, the Fox, the Feline divided into Lion and Tiger and Cat, the Canine divided into Wolf and Fox and Dog, and many other sorts of things.

The Fox was connected to mentation and wit and wildness and many other things as was the Raven, and the Raven was connected to the Storm and Death aspects and associated with stars and constellations associated with all these concepts, where the Fox was also but associated more with trickery and invention or ingenius solutions and how to escape entrapment or entrap other things. The lion was associated with roaming and terrorizing and prowling, the wolf was associated with exile or being kept at bay and thievery. People were named after these popular animals and were thought to carry their attributes and signs, even their names were at times numbered or had numeric signifigance or they had special numbers.

These systems often fell apart when they were made too strict or formal and restricted the freedom with which they could adapt.

The main focus though is on El, the 72 children of El, the 72 accomplices of Set, the 7 and 7 main themes meaning the theme and its opposite as hinted in the Testament of Solomon which continued some very old transmissions though it is likely to be somewhat changed over time in its references, it seemed to associate Asmodeus or Aeshma, Wrath, with The Bear, a popular symbol for wrath which even appears in the Bible and was a xrafastar or noxious animal in the Zoroastrian view which had taken over the Semitic Empire largely.

So these lists would be hugely helpful for me in gathering and sorting the connective lists which will then be included in my upcoming work and presentations in art and film.

The 72 Malovent Stars or bandits of the Water Margin, Chinese stuff, can help provide the necessary clues, but even Sanskrit literature has these corresponding aspects.

Humanity itself stemmed from one family and one people who at the border of East Africa and Arabia were thought to have then branched off into more people from one genetic and linguistic group.

Mecca was an Ancient area considered an important marking point for the center of the world, which circled away from it, like El was considered the center or King of the the Assembly, circled away from which appears to have largely influenced the Greeks as well as the Persians.

Arabia was said to have Hubal, who had one metallic hand like Tyr, and the Medieval people spoke of Termagant and the Saracens strangely. Arabia maintained an extremely Anxient religion which was reformed or supposed to have been taken to something even more Ancient and essential by Muhammed known in the French as Baphomet and the English as Mahound. There were said to be 360 idols likely placed in a circle and the directions of the Cube were coordinated to the 4 directions of the Compass and the sky was observed in relation to the Earth and the Kabba acted as a central point of reference and Ancient observatory for this Astral Religion of associations which was not much different from the Mesopotamians and Akkadians and Etruscans.

The Arabians were particularly fond of the Morning Star which appeared in Medieval writings of the Saracens as Lucifer so bright, and the final or “third of three” as Apollyon or Ap Olluein which represents Destruction and Death and negation and happens to also sound like Allah, since Greeks had formerly said of the Saracens that they worship Dionysus who is thought to be Rudra/Shiva as Orotalt which some think may be a misunderstanding of Allah Ta’ala, God Almighty.

Whatever the case may be, these correspondences occurred one way or another and fit well regardless of the knowledge or intentions involved in any unobtainable original thoughts.

We find in popular demonology and Angelology, many of the figures are representations of the samme and refer back to the morning star or Venus but with different emphasis.

Another strange aspect to this all is that it appears these symbols are still being used by people, even unwittingly, and for the more mystically minded, appear to represent a somewhat consistent and formal communication style to human beings which finds its way into just about anything at all, art, symbolism, color theories, and much more.
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So finding the lists, sending out the specific requests to specific professionals and myseums, universities, and librarians, and historians, and gathering and collecting and posting all the information with a special focus on etymologies and ancient lore and associations isn’t actually very hard to achieve overall or even very time consuming really, plus its an endeavor which basically provides an understanding of the religion of the Ancient World and their comparitive thought or at least the most influential religions in the world.
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I would continue my mission without the lists but those lists keep getting mentioned but never listed or provided anywhere on the internet except some of the later ones I mentioned.

Collating and posting all that information here or in a single place would provide a huge gift to researchers around the world and greatly assist me as well.
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The 72 Nations and their corresponding places and their 72 Gods and the family lists of Gods of the Mesopotamians and the Greeks who adopted much from them, and the various 72s which have been retained and may be able to be matched up and sorted based on their names and associations may be very helpful.
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Another issue is that modern correspondence lists are often largely false and baseless or based on the wrong sorts of things which have long since shifted. They are not appropriately usable and are not the same or in accord with Ancient themes and ideas which were widespread.
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To make it more fun, try to see the signs in the world and make the efforts like a treasure Hunt or an Indiana Jones or National Treasure sort of adventure. It will also help to elucidate things as far fetched seeming as Shakespeare, Marlowe, Goethe, Milton, Blake, Dante, Virgil, Homer, Hesiod, Plato, Zarathustra Zoroaster, Weyer, Pseudodionysus, The Bible, The Quran Koran, The Zohar and Kabbalah, and much more!

More sources are available now than they were to 19th century investigators or those earlier.
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It can be a joint effort, using your resources like computers and nearness to facilities, you can even video tape it and turn it into some other things. For me, the main point is getting hold of the information and it being collected and posted in one place together. I am working on it as I amable from my phone but I can’t even copy paste properly on it or do much and even my emails are barely functional. So I thought this might speed things up since each of you have access to more and are even nearby places, and I can barely even move with this chest injurt Costochondritis.
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3 and 4 were both asdociated with season and the sun variously. Hesiod mentions 3 season, while it was common to grid the sun into 4 squares.
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The tasks shouldn’t be too hard overall to find a number of experts on.

Slightly harder tasks are a complete list of names from the Bible with their meanings or etymologies, the hidden Gods of the Bible, terms like Wealth, Disease, Strife, a similarlist from the Qur’an including all titles mentioned or objects sych as sky sun and moon.

The South Arabian Religions Ancient Gods and their origins like Attar from AsDarTu or AsDarUt

The South Arabian Religion described, a full pantheon and list of stars and sumbols. Later Arab and Islamic Astrology and Baghdad Astrology, Constellations and Stars.

Those are a little harder since there may not be too many experts familiar with them or access as much or even much verification.

A list of the supposed 360 idols or Gods of Arabia.

[kFoyauextlH]

Yeah. I hope no one thinks I mentioned either of those really.

[kFoyauextlH]

Very nice. Now the question arises if we really believe that and how we really believe that and how we might not really believe that.

​​​​​​For me the truth is in between the moment somewhere, that its in the doubt, much more than it is in the features or the images or the blackness when the eyes are shut. Even beyond the force of things, in that flash of disbelief.

[kFoyauextlH]

Haha, well we will never know if its at all true or referring to anything which exists at all but we can try.

My world right now is yellow tinted. My whole physical space seems to be a tiny bathroom but even the distance between me and the door is imaginary really, I am just a flat screen of information and my feelings are a bit mixed. I have a limited amount of pdf files that I can have opened on my phone but I also kind of want one or two or three more opened even though I can’t read them right now anyway. The third of those I’m not even surehow I can search or find on my phone but is about forests in sanskrit literature, but when I think about it, I already know it quite well, and can instead of that open the Vendidad and Bundahisn but then I might as well open the whole Avestan scriptures. I can only read a little before falling right off to sleep sometimes if I haven’t slept well. I have numerous things opened on my phone which I don’t know when I will read, stuff I know somehow pretty much anyway but are refreshers for a few themes I am working on that are overall intertwined.

I wanted to look at other stuff on the phone while in here but I lost the feeling to do that too. I feel a kind of burning in my chest, part might be costrochondritis while the other might be the spicy nachos I made earlier or acid reflux. I feel very far from good or well physically, but feel fired up somewhat intellectually or mentally. A kind of intellectual fever that has been going on, but not being in pain and feeling light and free and healthy feels really good and its been a while since I have felt that. Pretty much all my parts are ok except my chest area and back of it. The weather outside which I can’t see but can hear through the supposed sounds of cars is wet as the wheels tear through water on the road and its supposedly darkish outside due to heavy overcast, but all I see is this yellow door made yellow by the tint of the light and this yellower floor because it already has a tint to it, and this pink tub and yellow cabinets with silver knobs and white but yellow strange lifted sink and a mirror now that I can see if I look up but since I amdown here on the toilet I can’t see my face in it but instead the shower curtain pole thing and towel hanging on the door. There are other things too but if anyone is thinking then I have just contributed to the generation of others or a multitude of these little yellow chambers.

[kFoyauextlH]

Very nice, everyone should take advantage of such a pleasant and well free place to share their thinking and pursue wgat they like!

[kFoyauextlH]

Very cool stuff! I wonder if Ontical can also take a guess at what I might be saying, since it is pretty important to me but I have had a tremendous amount of difficulty getting anyone to appear to really understand it as I wish since it isn’t quite as straightforward as people having different ideas about the same things or looking at one thing but having different languages regarding it or what they can put into words in their own minds, so my latest attempt was to talk about two different photos. Now I can go further and talk about two different bowls of food with entirely different ingredients.

[kFoyauextlH]

Yeah! That is very true, very complex thinking was introduced for public consumption during this period and with the printing press as well. It, like the internet, was or became increasingly unregulated and controlled. What differs especially today is the toothless now have their say and are increasingly able to spread their ideas there in the past there was less writing ability and even less ability to reach others with ideas or spread them widely.

Its very possible that great minds in the past were simply lost due to having no likelihood of their ideas being preserved.

Though Shakespeare appears skilled, it also just seems like luck, and that he had the right placement and resources and the Nationalistic folks wanted something properly local to represent their people and it all fit well together where some wise farmer with a certain amazing thought might have been left abandoned.

Now we stand a chance, and our enemy becomes complacency, being overcome by others in various ways, and having to play by certain rules still to get what we can out of the womb and through school and into the workforce lol as a metaphor.

[kFoyauextlH]

Oh yeah, that is true. What I was saying though was that the stuff we eat, the pixels in our mind or eye are not pixels anyone else is eating really, they are completely different pixels. The thing being seen is a different thing being seen and agreement is only convenience or appearance, there is a table for every viewer and the table is made out of different particles than the other tables and the table in one person’s mind is mixed with things that it isn’t for another.

So the idea here is that two people are taking in two different pictures, the whole object they are devouring is incomparable really to the other which may exist and will never ever be the same even if the person stands in the same place that object is inaccessible and gone and eaten as is and by the other.

We skip over this for the sake of normal conversations which can not be verified as anything more than an act or charade where pleasantness and avoiding attack or getting certain reactions is more accessible seeming but deludes the participant into momentarily forgetting that we can never truly talk about the same things.

[kFoyauextlH]

Social media constrains by options and difficulty levels and what it makes easy and more difficult what people end up doing or accomplishing as well as how they use their daily resources.

Humans have a tendency towards economy of resources which make them go towards the easiest solutions they can find or which more readily become habitual in order to achieve their ends. One German economist said that Social Media like facebook seems to run on envy and jealous spying and hubris, which I have also seen to be the case for the majority base of female users but in the case of both males and females I see a sexual drive as being a major motivator for any kind of communication or closely tied to it.

People are on facebook because people are on facebook, and where there are people, there are resources, including people as sexual resources for reproduction of people and genetic spreading, or the spreading of persons through other means such as ideas or memes. There is also money there for those who might sublimate their rapacious lust for resources into fantasies for cash and cash made and cash taken.

None of these things interest me personally as things pursue in any major way due to my views regarding life. Which is why I generally limit my resource expenditure to one or two areas where the motive is only propagation in a secondary way and most of it is practice, training, refining, formulating, making things which might influence me or be used later as notes for creative projects.

I use forums and emails to learn things and test things and practice expression in an exhaustive way. The more free I am allowed to be, the better. The thing I gain from not writing it alone and unseen are the reactions which act as additional data for me to consider and sometimes I get reactions or hear or see things which stimulate elements or tangents to be included which otherwise won’t be.

Facebook does not provide for my interests or needs because I am not interested in propagation through sexual means or really even in propagation of ideas for the sake of propagation.

The forum format with even just a few good hearts and brains functioning and responding can provide an appropriate apparatus for a portion of the work I am interested in.

When my computer finally is available I will see if I can divert my daily resources towards efficiently creating the sorts of propagation I want, which again is procreative, as every piece of art is a manifestation of me and “me” in this sense means a culmination of my ideas and interests and “spirit” or genius ( in the Roman sense ).

My spirit is attuned to certain things but its manifestation in a pristine form seems to only be coming from me or me as a coordinating agent of materials.

For example, there are demon bears scattered around, but coordinating and generating them as a manifestation of myself satisfies a propagation need more than the scattered instances of what seems to at least somewhat be in accord with me enough to be a me.

There is basically not enough me in the world for me to be satisfied. I aman ambitious person, which can mean my sex drive and domination drive is extremely high, and I am interested in forcing my dark spirit over the whole world while I am present in ways I can enjoy and in ways which also may be made available to spiritual heirs to be inspired by.

I have other strategies as well, which deal with converting materials so that they become extensions of myself.

I would only act subversively though to avoid being targeted or controlled. Promoting or supporting and defending whatever protects and allows me to continue spreading my shadow over my world and perhaps any other worlds except that I would never be certain of that and it is not my interest, but to dominate and turn my world into my Face is the theme. My Face, My Book, My Facebook.

I love those who love my Cloud and pray for rain and rejoice in the flooding of my person. I am only an attribute of something more inclusive and vast, but I represent a particular branch that wishes through hedonism for more space and more things which please me. The first great step though is being so good at making what I enjoy best.

[kFoyauextlH]

Yes, its extremely cool!

[kFoyauextlH]

History often gets lots of rosey retrospection, also in the interest of National Pride.

It was not a very good time or safe or healthy time for the people of England.

Monarchy was very bad, and the world has been improving in many ways, as well as becoming more disturbing in others. The best part of any day is what you can get away with and achieve, the worst part of any day is what you can’t get away with or are restricted from achieving.

Today I can go around saying things unrepentantly that would have gotten me killed back then. The problem with today are still things that will now get me threatened or killed today.

Dangerous power to kill or harm or constrain the people over thoughts or ideas has often been the major issue making periods good or bad politically.

[kFoyauextlH]

True. I have had great difficulty trying to get anyone, even immensely talented people to be creative. Its like they are afraid of being responsible for something or being blamed. They don’t seem to know or understand the joy of being like me, of taking the dive into freedom of thought and expression. I love it, it burns, its hateful, nausiating, noxious even, but its so superior to having a life and not living it. The problem is, they don’t know how to live. I may not know how to do much of anything, but I can’t fail at just being awake and thinking! Saying it too. They are so stifled, and I don’t know what they are afraid of? The opinions of dumb cows? They will waste their lives over a Moo Moo here or a Moo Moo there? Here a moo, there a moo, everywhere a moo moo!

[kFoyauextlH]

Very cool, but I never much agreed with Socrates passive aggressive seeming final lesson. It is said he had nothing much to live for at that point though, considering his wife was a shrew or nag according to tales, the people generally hated him save a few, and he was old, fat, and ugly apparently. This way he could go out in one big final lesson, except his lesson was a bad one. He submitted to the people and the state, instead of burning it down to the ground just because he wanted to live.

You may want this for a separate thread but, if you had a final lesson to teach, what would it be?
Final words, final lesson, and in Socrates situation, what would you do?

I would’ve taken the escape route offered him and left the tyrranical country in order to live and breathe and work a little longer.

There is a big difference between Socrates and myself. Not only am I handsome, but I cling to life voraciously and have no faith or hope in much of anything really. At the end of the day, I am a violent and selfish person, who believes in little and would maim, kill, rape, and pillage as necessary to achieve whatever I desire for myself so long as there are no consequences, and I do consider the implications and consequences and threats and disturbances which keep me in check.

I abhor God and Life and Justice, and my true belief is only in violence and terror. Had I the power, I would cause suffering and harm to befall numerous people, I would enslave them or destroy them.

In the case of Socrates, I would work subversively to disrupt those enemies of mine who would have me killed, and even freely find ways to have them killed for what they did, destroy their Gods, massacre their lawyers, and murder those displeased with such as well.

That is the life and soul of a flower. A flower grows and blossoms and spreads and does not say to itself “oh if I stay down here, other flowers may thus be allowed to live” a flower strives for the light, blindly wriggling towards resources and pleasure and away from harm, defending itself as it can.

No one has the right to poison me, even if I am the most vile criminal. We will fight. I will fight so long as I am able, how I am able.

If Socrates was going to simply go to a better world, he should have killed himself from the get go.

Whoever believes in God and Heaven and that all good awaits them! Prove yourselves then why don’t you? Go to your beloved now!

I will wait here in hell. I will wait here because God is not my lover nor can be trusted.

If you don’t take your lives, then perhaps you are more like me afterall, faithless cowards who will fight for filth just because filth and torture is less threatening than the truly unknown.

So in the end, Socrates, who may have been right, was wrong.

He had something that I don’t have. A soul?

I would do whatever it takes to live or avoid torture.

If I were to be thrown into a fire to burn forever if I did not kill a little baby, I would kill the baby to spare myself, or the man or the woman or the prince or the king or thr noblest human or Mother Theresa.

I would tell others NOT to kill me and NOT to adopt these ideals, nor would I ever trust that they are truly going to spare me when their life is at stake, so I would be alert and wary of such people. I thus can never have friends, even if they are truly noble, because I would doubt they would spare me, hate them for that, and wouldn’t spare them myself.

I don’t believe in fairness, I only believe in me.

Its strange perhaps that one like me, willing to think in extremes to their exhaustion, ends up being a noble and charitable and utterly kind character compared to others.

I would never think “in order to escape this hell, I have to slit the throat of this woman, but will sit here burning or suffering because she is a guard and has a family and is in my way or complicit but wah wah for her life which I don’t know and can’t access” I would slit her throat in a heartbeat without question.

I would also slit the throats of EVERYONE except me who adopts a vicious life-desperate philosophy like mine. I can have no allies in this, and there is no honor among life hungry thieves. If one even appears admiring of such thoughts they are a potential threat.

How my “friends” would say “Oh yes if it came to it I would sacrifice you for my own life” What! Their worthless lives for mine? Their disgusting faces for mine? They should die! Thus I can have no followers or friends or allies that ever get too close, if they are like me, they are wolves and madmen and vicious animals and should stay in their own territories.

In the meantime, I would promote they give their lives for me, that I am more important than them. The people I like are the noble ones, the ones who have honor, who aren’t like me and don’t fear dying or torture. Socrates was a good man, I am a bad man, because I believe in nothing and cling to everything.

God help the Heretic.

[kFoyauextlH]

I wrote about this just now in another thread.

What is experienced has no existence as is prior to being experienced, when it is experienced it is part of a full package, it isn’t that there is an object which is then interpreted, but an experience including what one calls an object and one calls an interpretation which is all part of a frame of information altogether.

​​​​The meaning, the affect, the object, are all together if they are experienced as such, and none can dispute the matter as they have no access to it or any part of it at all.

For your eyes only.

[kFoyauextlH]

I’ll add that the thing without meaning is not the same as the thing with meaning.

This illusion greatly confuses people and leads to dispute.

It is a very subtle point that requires a very keen and sharp awareness.

The dispute arises regarding objects in experience. Some say the object has no meaning, few say it does, while it seems to go mostly unnoticed by the disputants that the same object is not being referred to at all.

The one experiencing the object without meaning is experiencing a completely different object than the one saying otherwise, even if they are experiencing something and there appears to be some agreement going on about aspects of what is being spoken about.

This is because the individual can only experience a particular set of inclusive information and not the same stuff present for anyone else.

Each person, if they are experiencing anything at all, is never experiencing the same “stuff” anyone else is. One can be standing one place, another can be standing next to them, looking at an object they agree on, except one is seeing something entirely different than the other, a completely different screen and set of pixels or whatever one wants to imagine it as.

So not only are two things ever being discussed if there are two people involved, but they hold the sovereign opinion over what only they can see or experience which only they know and can pretend to verify what they say. If a person sees an object and has an associated meaning with it or it means something to them, what they are seeing, the whole of it, is unique to them.

In our world, all we experience is the surface, the them in our world is an entirely distinct set of information than the them in their world if they have a world at all.

This has major implications and can influence the behavior and thinking of people if understood.

It does not mean that people aren’t wrong or can’t say wrong or false things, but it does mean that an object that has no apprehensible meaning for someone, if they are indeed having an experience and speaking honestly about it, actually is the way they are saying for them, while an object that does have meaning for me can be explained as coming coupled with these other ideas or feelings or meanings, and there is no real way to dispute this since two objects are being spoken about anyway. The one object the person insists has no meaning, the other object the person insists has or brings up these meanings.

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