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I don’t know maybe you should look at the public art discourse, those issues if you want funding, or how art is valued.
My friends brother does not sell his work because he is anti ownership of art. He works in a factory for 6months saves up and then rents a cheap house for 6 months to work in.

[Rubsy]

It was literally there floating in the air, not fast, also it look more like fire than plasma, but it was not hot. We my boyfriend and I were v.drunk and had a good time at a local pub called the Castle. You know the type of pub you walk in and it’s like you just walked into someones living room. I had to impress them by ordering the strongest cider, Cheddar, 15 percent. By the end of the night the landlord was swapping jackets with one of our friends, turning it inside out and pretending to be a jockey.
When we went to turn in my boyfriend had returned to look at his new blackberry phone, and we were sitting in bed when the Jinn appeared. We just hid under the covers. I think the house was called the manor in Frome, Somerset.
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http://www.thebigdomain.com/large-houses/stonnwall-manor-estate

[Rubsy]

I have seen a fireball floating at the end of my bed, about the size of a football maybe a little smaller, in Fromme Somerset,  in the downstairs room of a stables in a manor house that use to be let by the National trust.

[Rubsy]

Absolute Truth and Relative Truth are two sides of the same moment

I agree, but truth is in a way a higher ideal, it is like art, something you point to. 🙂

[Rubsy]

The question is why do we worry about what it was like to be a Medieval mind ? What answers are we looking for, by contrasting ourselves to them ? The medievals looked back to the Romans, the Victorians to the Medievals and we too everyage. What does that say about us? The word is ‘nostalgia’ a sadness for something missing, something that is no longer there.

[Rubsy]

Historically, most advocates of correspondence theories have been ontological realists; that is, they believe that there is a world external to the minds of all humans. This is in contrast to metaphysical idealists who hold that everything that exists is, in the end, just an idea in some mind. However, it is not strictly necessary that a correspondence theory be married to ontological realism. It is possible to hold, for example, that the facts of the world determine which statements are true and to also hold that the world (and its facts) is but a collection of ideas in the mind of some supreme being.[6]
From wiki correspondance theory.

[Rubsy]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correspondence_theory_of_truth

[Rubsy]

As to the 72 acomplises of Set to murder Osiris it comes to us from Plutarch. I can’t find the original version but he may not name them. I will look for this.

[Rubsy]

I don’t think I can do all that but I can try. I have abook on the history of astrology but it’s quite vague. Then there’s a book on the gnostics, by Charles William King, but I think his overview that knowledge is sketchy possibly that all religions come from Hinduism and Zoroastianism.

[Rubsy]

Each moment, just as it is, is the sudden manifestation of absolute truth.

My perceptions are all true as they are in the moment even if they are contrary to anothers perception ?

[Rubsy]

Interesting, although I do wonder if the human mind can always overlook differences in favour of similarities. For example when people translate a word from a foreign language they concentrate on the similarities between the meaning of their equivalent and not the differences, so a lot of subtleties are lost. I think this helps to systemise information by relating new information to an old system, however a lot of information is lost. We do this with history all the time, that historians know that they may be biased by their own times to their view of history.
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In summary the article above is an argument against cultural/language relativity, due to pragmatic concerns and physical evolution out weighing cultural evolution. I think that might be framing it in the extreme though, because the claims seem small and well thought out, but it leans to that side.

[Rubsy]

That time is very similar to now. A great change caused by a land grab fro the Monarchs against the church. That’s what I think is Protestantusm in Englabd. A top down change, which opened up grammar schools and thus educated a mass of people intended to work for the state. These expectations were not fulfilled as there were non of these jobs to go to. Elizabeth was also alienating the nobles by picking her favorites and ending long lines of established family. She used the newly educated class like Cecil to become her ultra loyal state officers. They kept records on everyone and created the secret service. Trade deals with foreign powers were established.
Shakespeare probably co authored a lot of his plays. He also did rewrites of established plays which are lost to us now. I am not saying he wasn’t a genius, just that his genius seems more monumental because hardly any of the plays performed around this time made it to print in the l7 century,  with the advent of the printing press. The time that shakespeare was writing paper was a very precious comodity and was often reused, so hardly any plays survive. As you say there were probably tales and myths from the medieval times that informed him and are losr to us now.

[Rubsy]

Okay, in Welsh there are not seperate words for green and blue, lets call them one word, grue. Does that mean that a Welsh man’s experience of green is different from an English man’s ? I would guess yes. Leading to the conclusion that language informs our experience. As to experience informing language, that is a different question.
However I think you are saying that there are no things in themselves without our experiencing them. The question does a tree make a sound in the woods when it falls down and there is no one to hear it ?

[Rubsy]

Please come to the forum people. I like this forum and have never contributed to one before and have watched way too much t.v in my life and still do really. For now I seem to get obssessed with a subject watch all the documenaries about Shakespeare for example. Then you can share your thoughts with others in more detail and they are like notes for future obssesion for example Queen Elizabeth, or Thatcher. It’s better than f.b , because on f.b people think you are being irrelevant, or obsessive. There are also people you don’t want to upset and you have them in mind when you talk about a topic. The forum is anoymous, so a good place to test out ideas.

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This was a time that I suppose I would like to live in, but what is interesting about it is that it is a time of major transition and upheaval. I can’t find the quote but Elizabeth the first remarked at the change in people becoming more clever or less direct. Most likely they were more defensive because of the politics. They became less naive, it was the death of the medieval mind so to speak.  Shakespeare is a good reflection of this as many of his characters were not either goodies or badies, they were men women who you could identify with who were led by circumstance to tragic outcomes. He left the audience to judge. Guilt was unavoidable as Kauffman begins.  Even Shylock in the Merchant of Venice had the wonderful speech of when you cut me do I not bleed and you can understand why he has asked for his pound of flesh, it is pure resentament.

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