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Yeah cause the body was still alive I guess or was alive again so people can claim the brain or something was still secretly working or something.

Regardlesd though I believe whatever we are sincerely told about experiences in their apparent details of the experience and that the experience happened as described.

For sure. I just read an interesting thing about how mountaineers have NDE’s when thry believe they are about to fall from a great height.

Clearly, there is no one medical or physiological cause; the experiences occur for persons in a great variety of medical conditions. An interesting counterexample to explanations in terms of the “dying brain” is found in the NDEs experienced by mountain climbers in the midst of what they expected to be fatal falls (Heim 1892); it is hardly credible that these experiences can be reduced to either drugs or oxygen deprivation.

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Please explain furrher, this is great. I agree too. How do we get beyond these limitations, what is the distinction being made with Being and Experience?

lol – that’s what I am trying to figure out by reading Heidegger. That’s for another thread I am sure.

@”Arkilogos” NDE’s are certainly an interesting aspect of experience, it provides some evidence for survival after death, but it is not conclusive.

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Then inquiry starting from experience has too many limitations to be of use, we should look at Being instead.

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That which percieves is that which is perceived. When the body dies, there is no ‘I’, ‘I’ is performed as a body and as the ‘I’ is constructed beyond the body from without, it is impossible to say truthfully where it is, in fact, we are so deeply embedded in culture and language which determines what we are that soul, or ‘I’ is but an illusion of complexity.

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If we are a condensation of a universal process, how can we say there is a center, or that soul/mind/spirit is centripetal? Is it not centrifugal? 

Let me put it another way – there is already an amalgamation of process occuring before we even speak, we embody the world around us and finally we declare our separateness when we say ‘I’, but we have been built from the outside in the image of otherness, we are latecomers to what we call ‘now’, what appears to be a coherent, static and deliberate state of self on our part, is only a congealed process that is in flux, it only has the appearance of being solid.

‘I’ is always in flux. ‘I’ has been defined in part by the Other and so I don’t believe it to be true that ‘I’ is something that belongs to me only.

Is the breath in your body yours?

In regards to Hume, he’s pointing out how he can’t find the I empirically and so the function of ‘I’ is always pressuposed and can’t be known.

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I think we can easily make the mistake of thinking there is this thing called ‘me’ in our heads and body, but there is a very tentative reasoning that revolves around ‘I’ and the truth is non-dual. As David Hume put it:

For my part, when I enter most intimately into what I call myself, I always stumble on some particular perception or other, of heat or cold, light or shade, love or hatred, pain or pleasure. I never can catch myself at any time without a perception, and never can observe any thing but the perception…. If any one, upon serious and unprejudic’d reflection thinks he has a different notion of himself, I must confess I can reason no longer with him. All I can allow him is, that he may be in the right as well as I, and that we are essentially different in this particular. He may, perhaps, perceive something simple and continu’d, which he calls himself; tho’ I am certain there is no such principle in me.

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We are our bodies.

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@”Rubsy”

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The idea is to tear the plaster off and get it over with ASAP! Socialism cannot be seen as monolithic, it has a history with capitalism- someone has to pay for the cookies and that is usually from military intervention overseas.

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Lol his Terminator analogy is very fitting.

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To me, “I” is like a placeholder of sorts, kind of like zero.

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The latter part points to performativity, a script we have incorporated and learned over time that we enact socially and mentally.

I see ‘I’ like an onion of layers, no matter how much I peel away, there’s always something I have embodied.

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English is a commercial language, a business language.

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This is an interesting thread that may be related. https://ontic-philosophy.com/Thread-Accelerationism

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