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Sharpen up your teaching skills?

…could be taken as a reminder for fair game –
as Don wrote:
“All is a manifestation of Consciousness just as dream characters and ambience are manifestations of brains as mental processes.” – which has little to do with your reply:
“Reality is not a manifestation of consciousness and therefore a dream….Buddhist merely states that as things don’t have a self-nature (anatman), as all forms are inter-dependent, these forms are not fixed and are subject to change, it is only in this sense can we use the dream as a metaphor (not fixed and impermanent)”
….nor can i see Atman and of the inter-dependency of forms being thrown together by serious Buddhist thinkers.

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Dear Don, seems like we are stuck with a western and a eastern consciousness.
I – and i think all of us here – understand, that the reasons for it is the reasoning.
Lamentably it does not only separate east and west, but the mind of brainman as well, and thus impedes his Selfrealisation.

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There are the convenient truths of emotions, the truths fabricated with the help of the intellect (i.e. reasoned truths) ,the truths which are deducted from the belief in, or to prove an objective/absolute reality. There are traditional truths, religious truths, and many more truths smudging the mirror.

Yet there is the truth of Selfrealisation – everything the same; everything distinct* – vast emptiness; nothing holy.*

*Zen quotes

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I am not against playfully imagining possible decivilized worlds. But for such imaginings to be truly playful and to have experimental potential, they cannot be models worked out from abstracted conceptions of either past or future societies. In fact, in my opinion, it is best to leave the concept of “society” itself behind, and rather think in terms of perpetually changing, interweaving relationships between unique, desiring individuals. That said, we can only play and experiment now, where our desire for the apparently “impossible” meets the reality that surrounds us. If civilization were to be dismantled in our lifetime, we would not confront a world of lush forests and plains and healthy deserts teeming with an abundance of wildlife. We would instead confront a world full of the detritus of civilization — abandoned buildings, tools, scrap, etc., etc.[2] Imaginations that are not chained either to realism or to a primitivist moral ideology could find many ways to use, explore and play with all of this — the possibilities are nearly infinite.

YES ! and once more YES !

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A parable:

On our flight to nowhere, we notice that our civilisation vehicle is having serious problems.
We may play blind, deaf & dumb (or accelerists) and crash – or try to land it, with the help of common sense, as smooth as possible.
In both cases the flight of western civilisation will have ended.
But in latter case remains the possibility to investigate the abandoned vehicle, and to salvage parts that might be useful (like koan, internet, antibiotics, blues…) for generations (civilisations) to come.

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Don’t seek from others,
Or you’ll be estranged from yourself.
I now go on alone –
Everywhere I encounter It.
It now is me, I now am not It.
One must understand in this way
To merge with being as is.

In my daily life there are no other chores than
Those that happen to fall into my hands.
Nothing I choose, nothing reject.
Nowhere is there ado, nowhere a slip.
I have no other emblems of my glory than
The mountains and hills without a spot of dust.
My magical power and spiritual exercise consists in
Carrying water and gathering firewood.        

Before I had studied Zen, I saw mountains as mountains, and waters as waters. When I arrived at a more intimate knowledge, I came to the point where I saw that mountains are not mountains, and waters are not waters. But now that I have got its very substance I am at rest. For it’s just that I see mountains once again as mountains, and waters once again as waters.  

from “Zen Sayings & Poems”

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All our deeds, emotions, thoughts, creeds – and whatever else we are trying to relate ourselves with

This is all social and hence to do with power relations, will and desire, discourse.

When you say consciousness, are you talking about basic self-awareness, or of something more fundamental, something that is not only of our experience, but part of Being?

I assume that inter/extrapolation determines the interactivity of Micro & Macrocosm.
Microcosm connotes here individual consciousness and Macrocosm the inter/extrapolation-sphere of Microcosms.
In other words: individual consciousness is subject to “universal” consciousness – and vice versa.

(“A Thelemic View of consciousness” offers more lucid interpretations of this concept.)

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how is one to realize oneself through the images of others, if ones does not know one’s own?

I would argue that what we call ones own is first an embodiment from without which we ingest and transform into our own.

Yes, it is a foolish statement  :huh:  is there a way to erase it?

Thanks Brothers! (i erased the misleading statement)

Serious work requires quality control.

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If we exchange “our” with “my” and “your” the social aspect disappears. 
I suspect that not only the above mentioned, but all activities are to relate, manifest, orientate, affirm and confirm my, your, our existence.

According to Hindu philosophy existence is experienced as Maya and as Reality.
Maya is generally translated as illusion, but delusion is more proper, since Maya connotes a world of make-belief that enjoys great popularity  – contrary to Reality, which is considered to be omnipresent, but only accessible to a few and unintelligible/invisible to Maya.

Give me some time to try to formulate a more reasonable answer to your question.

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Psycho-physiological sounds good (might use it in future)

“context” connotes circumstances and as such a surrounding i.e. external affect, which is a physical but not a mental necessity.

I have to admit that i succumbed to the lure of playing with words.
I used to be a arduous student of Nietzsche who expressed his great humour that way (although he had the advantage of German language and being a philologist)

Imagine a “Weltbild” (Self-image) fed with Nietzsche and Crowley …. :angel:

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that excludes mind which is known to have its own ideas

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The above proposition can be interpret as:
us being exercises of consciousness – or exercising consciousness

Under this perspective – and due to my affinity to Will (Thelema) – i try to conjunct the two aspects.
 
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“I think you are looking for a kind of heuristic approach where we throw out conclusions of true and false and just see where it goes.”

I rather work at what we can do !

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Treating mind and body separately, multiplies & disseminates experiences – treating them as a psycho-somatic entity (relativity*) enables to integrate experiences.

* see “A Thelemic view of consciousness” (General Religion, Occult and Spiritual Discussion)

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If we use consciousness as a bucket-term, we can dump everything (All) into it; thus we are less tempted to determine what consciousness is, but try to do something useful with it (the contents)

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proposition: anything stated or affirmed for discussion (Thesaurus)

lets start  🙂 !
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Taking every manifestation as an aspect/expression of consciousness, i look very much forward to your participation.

(doubtless there are various levels/planes/spheres/dimensions of consciousness, but for simplicity sake i deal with the most immediate one)

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