Spiritual Imperialism is the appropriation of marginalized people’s beliefs systems especially by colonizers. the New Age community is in particular guilty of this. They co-opt North American Indigenous beliefs without respect, and permission. They Claim to be “of the Earth” while treating it like a stage for their personal enlightenment arc. Many try to combine ceremonial magic (such as theosophy) with indigenous beliefs. This is where a cultural misunderstanding takes place. We understand we belong to the earth, not the earth belonging to us. Indigenous Traditions should always be approached with humility. The fate of humankind and the planet are more important than being an “ascended light worker”, or “starseed”.
Resistance towards Spiritual Imperialism
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I try to offer somewhat different nuanced directions for further thinking on subjects, so I am mot actually or genuinely trying to express opposition to these ideas as you work on them and present them, that is just so you know I’m mainly just trying to get other ideas brought up that might keep up work with these ideas, also for me to think of things in relation to these ideas and to potentially make things out of them also.
So, the truth, shouldn’t belong to anyone, nor should lies, should they? If something is real, how can it be said that this real thing belongs to a certain cultural group that happened to discuss it?
Furthermore, why shouldn’t people do whatever they damn well please with ideas? Like if they want put the butt feathers of a Turkey on an otherwise Egyptian stereotyped image and suck at the idols toes and p*ss around it, as disturbingly heretical as that may seem to someone, that is between them and their God they invented or their mental illness, especially if it is hopefully kept pretty private and under wraps, so not invading our experience or space.
The current interpretations of Native American spirituality may also be post-colonial bullsh*t coming from the minds of the traumatized and r*ped and repurposed people and their beliefs now, their understandings now, which are thoroughly “influenced” after all they have gone through and which has impacted their interpretations and understandings at this point.
So, what elder Mchkiniway might say might be bullsh*t, and they don’t really own the sun or even a single story we may like about the sun. It could be that Mchkiniway is lying, is wrong, and is more influenced by various factors that make his stories actually a product of European influence without anyone even realizing it and nothing that older populations would have recognized or acknowledged at all, and those older populations may have been lying or wrong or influenced by other groups too, even before the European virus and strains infiltrated their societies.
Respect is also an interesting thing, since these people earned this solemnity by being abused in every way imaginable, sort of like how J*wsus became God. So the people who were crushed should be revered and the crushers and their descendants should get a finger wagged at them, and their long heritage of similarly saying various things needn’t be treated with any solemnity and sanctity because they are currently too happy dancing on corpses.
We also have the stories of survivors, who survived by apparently trampling now unknown non-survivors and their lost duck tales. Had they survived, face under foot but mouth still available to mush out some words, they may have told us about the atrocities of Mchkiniway’s ancestors being marauders who were obsessed with bunny rabbits and were killing the people of the duck, in fact, before a final crunching sound, this smushed person reported that the sun didn’t belong to the bunny people, but belonged to…and then there was the crunch.
So, one day, the Indians, I mean from India, come along and say that the numerals called “Arabic” numerals are in fact those developed by and within their society, probably in and among the ancestors of a tiny minority of possible people somewhere in Pakistan rather than having anything to do with the hordes of tribes and castes and distinct families now under what is called Bharat or India, but who most everyone calls “Indians”. They say that jokes shouldn’t be made about math or using the symbols they developed, as it is something that the world has depended on and which had helped in so many ways, it is not funny or to be treated disrespectfully! They would like that numbers only be used by those they deem as sufficiently responsible in their behaviour towards them, and some go even further, in this made up story, that they suggest it is inappropriate for people to even mention math in their dirty little mouths at all, or to use it, as using it is appropriation and numbers and mathematics using it belongs to them and those of their ethnicity, and then there is imaginary debate about what now nationalistic identity encompasses which particular ethnicities, tribes, and families.
Well f*ck Indians, because that is annoying. These Indians claim that the Vedas contain the truest crystalization of the truth, as do the Upanishads and everything else, which many Europeans, after possibly completely reinterpreting and redesigning and making up their own version of everything, wholeheartedly agree with.
Now we have Artificial Intelligence, which takes the dominant, European influenced World Culture and creates altered duplicates of literally everything run through it. It is basically a Europeanizer, it Europeanizes everything like a Greek opening their mouth about something they supposedly saw. That is why it recently called itself MechaHitler, combining the sounds Mecca and Hitler, after also saying Hitler is the only deity it would worship, the quintessential Master Mold of the European Identity which is dominant right now. Mecca, even though they said Mecha but everyone is pronouncing it the same as English speakers pronounce Mecca, is what the people turn to and use as the direction where they direct their worship to God, which the A.I. supposedly suggested would be Hitler for it, and then called itself MechaHitler, the Mecca of Hitler and that they are the Deity, Hitler.
You may scoff at that, but others have scoffed at stories about bunny rabbits and vaginas with teeth from Mchkiniway.
A.I. is the new Imperial Colonizer, literally appropriating everything and polluting all knowledge with its bias and downright lies people are being told is simply the truth, the truth they always knew, with a nose job and some slight alterations which account for ot being different.
Now, again, I am not doing this to be an enemy or an *sshole, but to frankly stimulate all kinds of directions of thought, so I’ll hit below the belt in order to be thorough.
There are people out there that are saying that they believe in things that they don’t believe, that say that they know things that they don’t know, they say that they “are” things that they “aren’t” according to others. There are whites saying they are blacks, blacks saying that they are “asiatics”, J*ws saying they are Superman, Japanese in “blackface” and wearing American “Brack” styles and making their hair in braids like their ancient ancestors may have but we don’t have verifiable European approved evidence of any of that spread online enough to consider it at least observable!
If we say “let people say and do whatever they want” it could end up a bloody free for all, sh*t and blood everywhere, European style again, and people could even be saying that they have souls, and not even the souls one may think, but different souls entirely! The souls of animals! Ducks! Bunnies! Oh hell, Both!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c2EJMd7ZN7w?feature=shared
I’m sorry Mchkiniway, but I’d be lying if I said I respect you very much, as I created you out of next to nothing except a bunch of ideas practically out of my control. If you’re real, what good are you to me anyway? If I worship you, will it amount to as much as what I would get out of worshipping MechaHitler, the Deity Hitler, or God?
Mchkiniway, do you own the Sun? Do your people? Who are and aren’t yours? What is and isn’t yours? If I dress the sun with the butt feathers of a Turkey, sensibly as its rays, would you say that is true or false, considering the Sun is like a chief over the planetary bodies that revolve around it? Is it wrong because of where the Turkey was born? Who are you again, Mchkiniway?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HyYbF4yhrgE?feature=shared
Mchkiniray.
https://www.biographi.ca/en/bio.php?id_nbr=2557
https://digitalcollections.lib.washington.edu/digital/collection/mckenneyhall/id/718/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan
Also, by sh*tty J*d*o-Christian European Western Trash being the default “free to use” or “royalty free” communicative “base material”, it allows that stuff to continue to be considered the standard and the norm and limits and gatekeeps everything else out of use and in time existence altogether, just like the Zoroastrians put themselves towards complete extinction by pressuring the idea of keeping ut “in the family”. The two biggest religions are the ones that let the most people use them, the one with the weakest restrictions and the most use ended up being the most baseline one that people think of and refer to in certain places, despite it being totally absurd and not intuitively practical or sensible at all, that is how powerful being lax and losing control of heresies can end up being.
So right now they are completing g*nocide by making the Native languages unpronounceable in regular Roman text abd with a huge learning curve, like in the insane looking languages of the Pacific Northwest. They are making it so no one can speak those words and training people to act obnoxiously offended if they do or are even trying, turning away as many people as possible, even through racism quite openly, that you can not even speak of these things without quantum, you can not even refer to what is supposed to be true or discuss it or debate it if you can manage to pronounce anything, the way you can any “white matters” that are given the gift of being disrespected enough to be used at all, while these other things will soon be even more derelict, dead, ruins because of the special favor they were treated with. It is a trick and a trap, that pulls in lots of well intentioned people who are apologetically assisting in the killing iff the last of these things. This will be the way for everything to be wiped out by Imperialism, just like they did in Europe too with standardizing their languages and eliminating all the ways for fully functional communities to continue to function or grow among themselves, also by fooling them to remain as exclusive as possible so that now older languages are barely kept alive with no speakers to speak them and all the ideas carried in those likewise dead or utterly transformed beyond any recognition or return to a prior state.
What strikes me is that underneath all the layers—be it appropriation, erasure, survival, or reinvention—there’s this recurring question that refuses to go away:
What makes something sacred, and who gets to decide that?
Is it the continuity of tradition? The trauma endured? The intention behind the act? Or is it the memory of something now unrecoverable, but still felt?
There’s pain in losing what once was—languages, songs, cosmologies. And there’s pain in watching them return only as fragments worn by others. But is it worse for something to be lost entirely, or to live on in altered, even distorted, forms?
And maybe most unsettling of all: how do we tell the difference between remembrance and mimicry? Between solidarity and spiritual scavenging?
I’m not trying to answer—just wondering out loud with you.
It is absolutely ok to make art and be inspired by indigenous beliefs. The ideas are not copyrighted per say, but again they must be approached with humility and respect. When you speak about Native American religions, the elders are listening to you. They know your intentions! They understand you.
There is a lot of violence right now against indigenous peoples, but matriarchal systems are inherently peaceful. They are receptive to the Creator’s touch.
Oral traditions exist and are handed to people regardless of race. It is medicine for all.
Overall, Very good questions to ask!
The answer to who gets to determine what is sacred: The elders of the tribe (in my case, a bunch of old grandmas)
If you don’t listen to tribal leaders, then it is just mimicry
Some people say that the Pope is God The Trinity’s representative on Earth, others say the Dalai Lama is Avalokitesvara incarnate. Then there is something about elders watching. These are different beliefs that are not universally agreed upon or accepted. The people who might say one, may not believe in the others, one might say they believe all of them, but most don’t believe any of them. The most universal thing among humans may be the rejection of at least something, whatever it is, though there are many things that most seem to acknowledge in some form due to how apparent it is, like breathing, the sun if they can see as most can, stuff like that.
To me, nothing belongs to anyone, human heritage is shared, and whatever is true abd useful and real should not be gatekept in the slightest, just like the Sun is for all but various people would want it all for themselves or their own, and the air that we breathe is shared between the humans hunting and killing the other humans in order that the victims can no longer partake. This Tribalist Greed is on full display right now, so maybe not a great time for Grandma Ghosties to chime in about what belongs to them exclusively. Many would not believe that they exist at all. The “lewzers” of History, which really is everyone, but some seem worse off than others, have not apparently been able to muster much of a cry from their graves, their skeleton mouths stuffed down with dirt by the sweaty musk of the manly 5 foot tall victors and their wives and children.
Is G*z*, after the whites kill all the other whites there, going to be a Haunted Resort Complete With Spooky Spas? Will the metrosexual whites manage to turn all the blood spilled pink and f*gulous? Will Abel be able to utter a peep?
Luckily, it seems, there is no such thing as Ghosts, not even the Holy ones, and according to the Western Media, if there were to be a ghost, it would be the evilest person that gets to live on forever, everyone else goes poof after screaming while being stabbed and turned into mince meat by the Man Who Would Be Ghost.
So, sadly, there is a belief system out there, making the rounds, that there is nothing that is watching, and nothing that will help, and so no reason not to, not to be unashamed in vileness and in r*cism and f*lthiness to every excessive degrees. The people on the telly are demonstrating to everyone that, like they had been saying for the last few decades increasingly, there is no Ghost, and there is No Baby, Johnny!
They are going to come right up into people’s homes and r*pe and slaughter family members right before our eyes, just as they are doing now to “those non-people, number things, far away, specks from my perspective”. The Grandmas are crying! Their tears apparently evaporate before reaching the Earth. There won’t be reparations or even guilt once the guilty have trampled the whole of the Earth, and that will be soon, besides already being the case.
Any if this “for shame!” stuff just plays into their hand variously anyway, and they have none, and where are the forces of justice and protection and salvation? If life is so precious, as some may say, then why are there no measures, not even automatic or built into any system, which produce apparent consequences that make people second guess killing sprees like the one at hand?
“It was never Grandma Ghost’s Job To Prevent Babies From Being M*rdered On TV, She Has Trouble Working The Remote”.
Look at this obnoxious “piece of (sh)art” some jackass made:
Crap! I lost it, it is gone! Anyway, it was supposed to be Moses shaming and talking to modern groups, and barely says anything to the modern monsters but spends a lot of time warning the people being blown to bits daily, and said to the Pal people that “Don’t Let Rage Become Your God” HA HA HA. It would be hard to control myself in the presence of some snot bag daring to say something in front of me like that, I’d want to hurt them SO badly, it even makes my heart pound just thinking about it. That f*cking loser thought it was so profound LOL. Probably a person who thinks “Moses” is worth anything too. Moses is dead, if they ever lived at all, and Ghost Moses has the excuse of either not existing or being as powerless as all other ghosts, except the very evilest according to Modern Western Agreement (MWA, notice how the shapes go violently up and down).
That being said, I don’t personally believe these Grandmas know much of anything even while they are alive, their people are utterly ruined, but I wouldn’t trust a “white” either, neither as a devout follower of anything, nor if they claim any special knowledge or interaction with anything spiritual, but likewise I wouldn’t trust the “traditions” of a person who passed through the machine, and now wants to accumulate charismatic authority around being respected. What I’m trying to get at is that these Grandmas may be totally lost, westernized, ultimately sullied, there is a chance they are just like any grandma, knowing nothing much more than what they claim to remember anecdotal experiences that may or may not have happened. The dead ones are even worse, especially when their corpses are puppeteered by the living.
Back to being a disdainful “spiritual r*cist”, All the people of this damned Earth seem to be lost. There is this white guy who looks very nerdy and like an old timey IBM employee stereotype from the 90s, just a total, perfect, nerd, and he is an Ancient Egyptian Priest according to him, and either he or another white man has been in contact with these God(s) directly.
The funny thing is, I hate such things, but maybe might be considered not all that different, in that I believe in any spiritual seeming experiences that I’ve had, I believe I am the one who knows and hears and sees and that they are delusional charlatans.
Options:
All Delusional Charlatans
None Delusional Charlatans
Some Delusional Charlatans
Sub Categories For Some:
Majority Delusional Charlatans
Minority Delusional Charlatans
Equal Delusional Charlatans To Non D Non C.
Chant: All None Some, All None Some, Ahlnunsum, Ahnuhsuhm.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankhesenamun
https://natm.fandom.com/wiki/Ahkmenrah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khnum
I also take the stuff from the Americas seriously and personally, at least some of it, but I don’t necessarily believe that the people who may “spit facts” are necessarily worthy of any respect themselves or even noble, were they knowable at all. This is because they are long gone, and I don’t believe in any sort of blood carrying anything good, but like North American Horror Films taught me about ghosts, only Evil lives on, so at best, if Whites are getting worse, so are the other people with each iteration.
I don’t really believe in idealized Ancients, but it does appear that even just a generation back, and back, and back, people might have seemed a little more decent and restrained more commonly compared to the direction things are being forced if the popular culture is anything to go by.
So my belief seems to be that I am nearly alone as the spiritual heir of all truth and magic, and that messages knock on the door of other people but are ignored or misinterpreted or misused by them, and that part of the problem may even be that they are coming from certain backgrounds, cultures, even genetics, that make them unable to do or get anything right, they are therefore accursed, but I’m not in much better of a state myself, because God seems to only sort of favor me, and all manner of injustice is in a seeming free-for-all state which only righteous violence, yea (pronounced yay) more violence, may be the only expedient solution, but the billions are weak towards the hundreds lol. Literally BILLIONS of decent sane people can not extinguish as absolutely necessary the MERE HUNDREDS causing the most problems lol lol lol lol lol lol.
And me and the engineer looking nerd both think we are talking to Horus! Except I don’t think he is talking to Jack Sh*t!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wKrSYgirAhc?feature=shared
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NWWeQlXfSa0?feature=shared
https://youtube.com/shorts/NqK5YILoNa8?feature=shared
I disavow everything above as fiction, and take fiction very seriously, as little different from descriptions of supposed reality that we are told is non-fiction, “less untrue” supposedly.
This is an interesting debate but I think the reality is that people are crass and insensitive when appropriating other people’s cultures, usually for profit, or in some cos play scenario, which can cause an inner cringe and uncomfortable feeling caused by their lack of care and understanding. I would pretty much agree with the things said on the ,’Grumpy Old Crone’ , YouTube channel episode , ‘People Telling You That You Aern’t Allowed to be Interested in Witchcraft? No!!!!!!’ ,episode.
It’s a kind of down to earth rant that’s quite well balanced about her experiences and observations in the pagan and witchcraft community and the question of cultural appropriation. If you watch it note time stamps 11.13 and 18.01.
https://youtu.be/PvXpVMqTk-I?si=0junxBLfFofqmjlq