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I want to see your face kFoyauextlH
Don’t we already have such a relationship with the Saudi’s?
@FoyauextlH Make it so, would be interested in having a look at that
It is my view that the polarising tribalism of the Theist/Atheist debate can be dissolved if they both realised that there is only the ‘Living Present’ and it this is what they were both quarrelling about in error all along
‘Perceiving mind is an incarnated mind’ – Maurice Merleau-Ponty
Our body is not primarily in space:it is of it. Our body is always already in the world; therefore there is no body in-itself, a body which could be objectified and given universal status. Perception, then, is always embodied perception, one that is what it is only within a specific context or situation. Perception in-itself does not exist.
Perception is not simply the result of the impact of the external word on the body; for even if the body is distinct from the world it inhabits, it is not separate from it. Indeed, the very imbrication of the perceiving organism and its surroundings is what lies at the basis of perception. This means that there is no perception in general – a notion which would turn it into an abstract universal; there is only perception as it is lived in the world.It is here where the categories of East & West dissolve
Very clearly written responses Socrates :heart:
The Wiki page on the links between Buddhism and Western Thought is worth a butcher’s hook
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Western_philosophy
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A few days ago i discovered in “ilovephilosophy” the following text by Don Schneider – who graciously agreed to share this flower with us.
Thank you Brother! (hope you like the title grown in my garden:)———————————————————————————————
In the conventional Western paradigm, consciousness is an epiphenomenon of matter in the form of a human/animal brain. In the Eastern metaphysical schools based upon the Upanishads (most saliently within the Hinduism school of Advaita Vedānta and within schools of Mahayana Buddhism (such as Zen and Yogacara), Consciousness (“Brahman” in Hindu terminology) is the fundamental ground of existence which cannot be further sublated. All is a manifestation of Consciousness just as dream characters and ambience are manifestations of brains as mental processes. Thus, matter is an epiphenomenon of consciousness as opposed to the visa versa view of Western materialism.
@waechter418 You may find these of interestQuestion:- What’s the difference between a man (theist) who judges another for having no belief in a God, and a man (atheist) who judges another for having a belief in God? Who is right and who is wrong? If they are playing the same game is it one that can be won? Who can tell me the outcome?
Christians seem to remain Christian and were never what I consider Christian really.
Christianity was never a monolith, in fact the term masks the interplay of many peoples, beliefs, practices and cultures…e.g. Sol Invictus
Socrates…thanks for the mention…This is something I posted elsewhere on Dec 24th 2016
The message of Christmas has for centuries essentially been about overcoming the odds and the endurance of the human species, it’s obvious really…..this time of the year has been for those living in the northern hemisphere at least, a time when the land doesn’t bear fruit, its also the coldest time and the darkest, it’s grim basically (or has been for our ancestors)…what better way to face these adverse conditions than to turn them on their head by creating a cosmic story with humanity at the centre and turning it into a time of feasting, turning it into ‘the most wonderful time of the year!’….from the 25th of Dec the days start to become lighter….what the traditional Christian story of celebrating the birth of a child simply means is to have faith in the future of humanity, and in the life giving power of the Sun…it’s a stroke of genius really…we all partake in the power of this myth annually….I’ve seen people running around for days on end like headless chickens all preparing for one thing, making sacrifices for one day, to celebrate Christmas Day with those we value, love and cherish the most, yeah Christmas can be a ball ache actually but the fact that we can act in one accord like this gives me faith that we as a race can still, when necessary all work towards the same goal….we are approaching a time when humanity will have to step up to save itself and other species on this planet….A Merry Christmas to everyone that’s celebrating right now, by doing so you are not only making businesses thrive by buying their shit but we are also demonstrating our collective will to power, although you may not be conscious that you’re doing it.
Yours Father Christmas xx
I’ve heard many people bash Christianity, although it’s mainly religion in general calling it irrational and life denying, for the weak etc…which is fine if it’s warranted, especially if dogma stands in the way of expanding our understanding or it keeps us in bondage…but we have to be also careful of religion bashing too much as this can become its own dogma and can blind us from its treasures, obscure its fundamental contribution to who we are as moderns and our link back to history and those that went before us….
Reality is not a manifestation of consciousness and therefore a dream….Buddhist merely states that as things don’t have a self-nature (anatman), as all forms are inter-dependent, these forms are not fixed and are subject to change, it is only in this sense can we use the dream as a metaphor (not fixed and impermanent)Dependent Origination can be seen in William Blake
‘To see a world in a grain of sand and Heaven in a wild flower, hold infinity in the palm of your hand and Eternity in an hour’
So often do we see Westernised versions of Eastern ideas that run all too quickly towards idealism.
As old Tich Nhat Hahn put it – there is a cloud floating in this piece of paper.
Although I interpret the Brahman dream as a kind of Spinozaesque panentheism, or modes of the same nature, this nature is necessarily expressed separately as a series of relations that are interdependent.
Looks like you could sharpen up your teaching skills for your classes here mate, your interpretation of the metaphorical dream reminds me of the Richard Harland take on Derrida.
Sharpen up your teaching skills?
Reality is not a manifestation of consciousness and therefore a dream….Buddhist merely states that as things don’t have a self-nature (anatman), as all forms are inter-dependent, these forms are not fixed and are subject to change, it is only in this sense can we use the dream as a metaphor (not fixed and impermanent)
Dependent Origination can be seen in William Blake
‘To see a world in a grain of sand and Heaven in a wild flower, hold infinity in the palm of your hand and Eternity in an hour’
A few days ago i discovered in “ilovephilosophy” the following text by Don Schneider – who graciously agreed to share this flower with us.
Thank you Brother! (hope you like the title grown in my garden:)———————————————————————————————
In the conventional Western paradigm, consciousness is an epiphenomenon of matter in the form of a human/animal brain. In the Eastern metaphysical schools based upon the Upanishads (most saliently within the Hinduism school of Advaita Vedānta and within schools of Mahayana Buddhism (such as Zen and Yogacara), Consciousness (“Brahman” in Hindu terminology) is the fundamental ground of existence which cannot be further sublated. All is a manifestation of Consciousness just as dream characters and ambience are manifestations of brains as mental processes. Thus, matter is an epiphenomenon of consciousness as opposed to the visa versa view of Western materialism.
This is not actually the case in Mahayana Buddhism / Zen. Fundamental to Buddhist thought is ’cause and effect’ and it sees consciousness as an ‘effect’ of skandhas, consciousness being the final
skandha (although each causes the next in a cyclical fashion); there are 5 in total and each can be broken down into further categories or constituent partshttp://www.buddhistdoor.com/OldWeb/bdoor/archive/nutshell/teach11.htm
Also in Buddhism is the teaching of ‘dependent origination’, essentially this teaches that nothing in itself (including consciousness) has ‘self-nature’, everything is interdependent, thus consciousness cannot be deemed the origin of itself.
This is expressed in the famous Buddhist saying ‘form is emptiness and emptiness is form’
In demonstrating an important tendency in people, the inflexible are broken, the overly flexible are lost.I created an artificial ruckus regarding the arbitrary numeric designation of 3333 and 666 which were used for their signifigant potential uses and influences but are simultaneously unimportant as well, like anything else, nothing is necessary, but while it seems to be, it really is nothing else.
Without creating a ruckus or bringing peoples attention to something, the demonstration would have been less influential to those who paid it any mind or gave it any thought.
This second area becomes a sorting agent as well. Those who say “you went back on it” and those rare individuals who see the power and importance of being able to dive into a pool, swim deeply, but also come out of it alive and new, baptized and going about other sorts of things. Sometimes that process takes people years. For example, Yusuf Islam the Musician formely known as Cat Stevens halted making music or even touching an instrument stubbornly for years because of associations he made with it, forsaking a tool which he could have used to help people were he so spiritually inclined. Finally he returned to Music and people said he backstepoed while others said his music was no longer the same or now was too preachy haha. I’m not sure he continued or if he did, but this is what humans are like and communicating with them can for the most part be highly unpleasant.
I have never stuck to anything very strongly, and it is important to me to demonstrate to people the importance of being able to fully do something and mean it, and also do other things too while not lying.
The 666 posts made here on this website were as I said and for a number of reasons that I said. The 3333 on Wizards as well. More important than all of that though is the message of being relaxed and being able to continue to freely and comfortably utilize things and do good by being flexible and showing that adoration of certain sets or numbers or works is also a kind of stunting and silencing.
For example, The God-King on Wizard Forums made numerous posts and once they were done, constantly referred people to them, barely producing anything new. Had the real God, the King, done so, we might still be stuck at the gnat or LUCA (Last Universal Common Ancestor).
Remember not to become overly absorbed in something to the point of stagnating. Life is constant medicating, a lifetime of medicine. We wish there could be a finality, but the basis of existence is Eternity, there is no end or even beginning. Nor is it a circle or a line or a square plain. It is Change, it never repeats, never loops, constantly different and a new form and a new story and it never ends. We are with it as one, but we can not bring yesterday with us truly. Immortality is the discovery of our constant destruction.
This reality is one “type”. It is not necessary. There can be night infinite of this “type” and other “types and incomprehensible things.
The happy person is the one who enjoys and takes advantage of whatever they can, turning all that we see into “good news” and utility and music and entertainment and wisdom and joyful reminders of the truth.
They are flexible and open, but not so flexible as to be lost and see nothing. They take up good causes and they fight for goodness and beauty and then they fight for it again when it has lost some of its flavor like over chewed gum. They spit it out and carry a new Cross and Sword, and if they are wise, know that all is Catholic (Universal). (see Bernard Shaw’s quotes I posted earlier in two threads).
Never worry too much about “what really happened” or “what it really means” but what it Can be Made to mean and how it Can benefit you and the multifarious ways in which it can be used for good for yourself and for others.
Do the right thing. Make a book of 666 or 3333 and then make another different song of praise. How unfortunate to say only one good word once than to forever be dedicated to all that is wonderful and turning even What Is Not into What Is.
…..the basis of existence is Eternity, there is no end or even beginning. Nor is it a circle or a line or a square plain. It is Change, it never repeats, never loops, constantly different and a new form and a new story and it never ends. We are with it as one, but we can not bring yesterday with us truly. Immortality is the discovery of our constant destruction.
This is a high point, ecstatic poetics…I love it x
Similarly I liked Spinoza’s rejection of the dualism of the mind/body problem by stating that they were different attributes of the same substance, two ways of talking about the same thing…however, more modern thinkers that are noteworthy that I remember from my uni days are Gilbert Ryle and Peter Strawson – Ryle states that the distinction of mind/body rests on a ‘category mistake’ and Strawson stated that ‘persons’ are ‘logically primitive’ i.e. is prior to the notion of an individual consciousness or a body
This is a book by Paul Mason, I am not familar with this guy and this PDF was kindly shared via email by @”thetrizzard”
I am sure it will be a valuable source for future discussion, please feel free to comment on it here.
Paul Mason is a journalist for Channel 4 News, his book is along Accelerationalist lines, I have the audio book if anyone is interested
I like the move to the left that is in the Guardian article:
“Capitalism has begun to constrain the productive forces of technology,” they wrote. “[Our version of] accelerationism is the basic belief that these capacities can and should be let loose … repurposed towards common ends … towards an alternative modernity.”
I would exchange ends for means here, but in essence, the world we were promised is radically different to the one we have in regards to technology. It was supposed to free us up.
Found this which looks interesting…collected writings of Nick Land
Fanged Noumena: Collected Writings 1987-2007 https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/095530878X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_jxJfzbR99PE7M
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